The Spurs Stability have caused the Suns & Mavs Instability and Inconsistency!

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I still maintain that the Spurs are lucky the Suns had a cheap-ass owner who sold off picks and ran off talent to save money and a stupid-ass coach who couldn't play more than seven players in a game if his life depended on it.

I think if either of these two situations is resolved, Suns find a way to win.

But then, that's also a testiment to the consistency and stability this thread is about, so tip of the cap...

The 7 player rotation was not the reason they lost, Amare Stoodamire being an idiot was the reason they lost.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Nope. Nash proved time and time again a team with him wasn't winning a le. If it wasn't Parker killing him, it was Bibby. And with the way they abused him, just imagine what Wade and B. Diddy, two guards who are much better than Parker and Bibby, would've done to Nash.

What the is B Diddy?

[mystargtr34]

No, he's not.

So what, if Wade's a 2. The Mavs threw every guard they had at him. Nash would've got his turn, and abused.

Parker > Davis

Thats been the case since about 2005.

One guy shoots 40% for 20 PPG and plays about 60 games a year

The other guy shoots 50%+ for 20 PPG and is a Finals MVP

[mystargtr34]

Wade > Parker obviously.

[JMarkJohns]

Tim Duncan stole HCA when he had a monster Game 1 in Phoenix.

And Phoenix stole it back with the game four win in San Antonio. Series tied at 2-2, Phoenix hosts two of three if series goes that far. It didn't.

[dirk4mvp]

What the is B Diddy?

What Spurfan called Baron Davis during the Mavs/Warriors series a few years back.

[m33p0]

And Phoenix stole it back with the game four win in San Antonio. Series tied at 2-2, Phoenix hosts two of three if series goes that far. It didn't.

good point.

[jag]

No, he's not.

If Tony had been on terrible teams his entire career and led those terrible teams in shots per game(year in and year out)...he'd have the numbers "B Diddy" has.

If you polled GM's on who they would rather have on there team, do you honestly think the majority would pick Davis? No

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I wouldn't say the Spurs forced the Devin Harris trade, they definitely forced the Shaq trade after they beat the Suns w/o Parker. I think Golden State forced the Kidd trade, which was dumb because Dallas got better against Golden State but got worse against every other Western team with that trade. I was happy when they made the trade because it meant Harris would only drop 35-40 points on the Suns twice a year rather than four times a year.

Think about it, the Spurs were anything but the reason they traded Harris for Kidd. Harris destroyed SA in that 2006 series and is the only PG in basketball who can make things extremely difficult for Parker on offense and defense. Before that trade Dallas was the only team that consistently beat the Spurs.

I know most people think the Shaq trade sucked, but Phoenix would have lost to SA in the playoffs with Marion or with Shaq. They weren't contenders before the trade and are closer to being contenders now then they were all of last year. Marion's help defense was good, but if you have someone on the court to only play "help defense", your defense has issues regardless.

[NFGIII]

Its an open secret that both the Suns and Mavs have built their teams to try and get past the Spurs come playoff time. There's probably no greater compliment you can pay the Spurs.

And the Spurs did exactly the same thing back in 96/97 to get past the Jazz. Let's face it at the time the Spurs were the Jazz's pure and simple. Stockton and Malone owned us. Pop got rid of Hill and then went about restucturing the team to look like the Jazz - half court P/R and S/R and the emphasis on playing D first.

Of course it didn't hurt to draft TD in '97 either.

[MarHill]

I wouldn't say the Spurs forced the Devin Harris trade, they definitely forced the Shaq trade after they beat the Suns w/o Parker. I think Golden State forced the Kidd trade, which was dumb because Dallas got better against Golden State but got worse against every other Western team with that trade. I was happy when they made the trade because it meant Harris would only drop 35-40 points on the Suns twice a year rather than four times a year.

Think about it, the Spurs were anything but the reason they traded Harris for Kidd. Harris destroyed SA in that 2006 series and is the only PG in basketball who can make things extremely difficult for Parker on offense and defense. Before that trade Dallas was the only team that consistently beat the Spurs.

I know most people think the Shaq trade sucked, but Phoenix would have lost to SA in the playoffs with Marion or with Shaq. They weren't contenders before the trade and are closer to being contenders now then they were all of last year. Marion's help defense was good, but if you have someone on the court to only play "help defense", your defense has issues regardless.

You are actually making my point.

The Mavs were the one team that could beat the Spurs somewhat consistently and they traded Harris and it changed the look at the team.

The Spurs may not have caused that trade....but the fact they made that trade....the Spurs' success had an indirect effect because of it.

The Mavs let the failure on not a winning championship in '06 to make them have a drastic change instead of sticking with program and strengthening their team.