Kurt Thomas

[timvp]

LMAO...Saying he will not play because the other teams cannot have bigs that play on the perimeter is the same thing as saying he will be ineffective in those games. What did you mean when you said that? How else can anyone interpret that?

Just because his minutes where forced upon him does not mean that he would automatically be effective by default. You said he would not play in those games not because of any thing but effectiveness against the other teams bigs. So he got minutes and did a good job, why is that so hard for you to admit?

Please state what you meant then when you said he would not play in those games. Why would he not play?

Um, it's called matchups. Thomas plays against interior bigs and Oberto plays against perimeter bigs. Have you been watching the Spurs this year?

Oberto can have success against interior bigs, too. However, Pop usually decides which of the them plays based on who they will be guarding. It's not exactly rocket science . . .

Bargs is a bust with regards to #1 status.

At least you finally admit that. This summer you insisted he was doing fine and wasn't a bust.

[DPG21920]

Um, it's called matchups. Thomas plays against interior bigs and Oberto plays against perimeter bigs. Have you been watching the Spurs this year?

Oberto can have success against interior bigs, too. However, Pop usually decides which of the them plays based on who they will be guarding. It's not exactly rocket science . . .

At least you finally admit that. This summer you insisted he was doing fine and wasn't a bust.

You said that Kurt would see no time in the aforementioned games because of match-ups. That was because he was a match-up problem correct? Well, I said I disagree on some of the games specifically the Raps game. He got the minutes because Oberto was out, but that does not change the fact he did well in a game you said he would not do well in because of match-ups.

I think you are underestimating what Kurt can do. I am not saying he is the best perimeter big defender, but he is capable of doing it in some of these 2 big match-ups. He has done pretty well in all of the recent games, considering you said none of the last few games he would get any PT because he was to slow to be out there.

[timvp]

You said that Kurt would see no time in the aforementioned games because of match-ups. That was because he was a match-up problem correct?

Incorrect. I never said he'd get no time. The original question that sparked my response was asking when would Thomas get extended playing time. I said it'd be when the Spurs played a team with interior bigs because that's when Pop trots Thomas out for extra time.

Well, I said I disagree on some of the games specifically the Raps game.

1. The Oberto injury.

2. Bustnani got so bad that the Raptors signed Voskuhl to take some of his minutes ... which put another interior player in the rotation.

He got the minutes because Oberto was out, but that does not change the fact he did well in a game you said he would not do well in because of match-ups.

WTF? I never said he wouldn't do well. I said he wouldn't get extended playing time because the minutes would instead go to Oberto. Oberto is injured so the minutes went to Thomas.

What part are you not understanding?

[timvp]

considering you said none of the last few games he would get any PT because he was to slow to be out there.

Nice edit. Actually, no, horrible edit because I said nothing like that.

Fundamental, reading is.

[DPG21920]

Incorrect. I never said he'd get no time. The original question that sparked my response was asking when would Thomas get extended playing time. I said it'd be when the Spurs played a team with interior bigs because that's when Pop trots Thomas out for extra time.

1. The Oberto injury.

2. Bustnani got so bad that the Raptors signed Voskuhl to take some of his minutes ... which put another interior player in the rotation.

WTF? I never said he wouldn't do well. I said he wouldn't get extended playing time because the minutes would instead go to Oberto. Oberto is injured so the minutes went to Thomas.

What part are you not understanding?

Why would the minutes go to Oberto? That is saying that Oberto would have done better because of the match-ups, or saying Kurt would be ineffective. I don't think that is to big of a stretch. So, you are saying Oberto would have done better than Kurt did?

[DPG21920]

Nice edit. Actually, no, horrible edit because I said nothing like that.

Fundamental, reading is.

You are being so dishonest it is not even funny. When that poster asked: "in the next 7 or 8 games" do you think KT would play. Then you gave your logic about Kurt and said none of those next 7 or 8 games qualify. None = 0 so wtf are you on about. Be honest.

[timvp]

Why would the minutes go to Oberto?

The minutes would have gone to Oberto because that's the rotation Pop was using all year. Against bigger bigs, Thomas plays more. Against perimeter bigs, Oberto plays more.

That is saying that Oberto would have done better because of the match-ups, or saying Kurt would be ineffective.

No it's not. It's explaining Pop's rotation to someone who asked when Thomas would play extended minutes.

I don't think that is to big of a stretch. So, you are saying Oberto would have done better than Kurt did?

[timvp]

You are being so dishonest it is not even funny. When that poster asked: "in the next 7 or 8 games" do you think KT would play. Then you gave your logic about Kurt and said none of those next 7 or 8 games qualify. None = 0 so wtf are you on about. Be honest.

More blatant lying.

Hey timvp, this isn't related to the post I quoted, but whatever. Out of the next 7 games, how many have a big center/PF that Pop would need more of KT for?

More of KT. Keyword being more. As in more than usual. As in extended minutes. As in KT playing more than he typically plays.

Nowhere in the conversation was it stated that KT would start getting DNP-CD's. You are either totally confused or trying to lie your way to pretend to know what you are talking about.

[DPG21920]

The minutes would have gone to Oberto because that's the rotation Pop was using all year. Against bigger bigs, Thomas plays more. Against perimeter bigs, Oberto plays more.



No it's not. It's explaining Pop's rotation to someone who asked when Thomas would play extended minutes.

I get what you are saying. I know you are saying the normal rotations this year have gone to Oberto with perimeter bigs. I was saying that was not entirely true in light of KT's injury. I thought that with KT fully healthy he would steal some minutes that normally have gone to Oberto so far.

A wrench got thrown into this when Oberto got hurt so KT had to have those minutes. Now we do not know if KT would have gotten more minutes anyways. Does not change the fact that my opinion that KT would steal some minutes when healthy in this scenario bc he can do well in place of Oberto has been somewhat true, bc he has done well in places where you say the minutes normally go to Oberto.

[DPG21920]

More blatant lying.



More of KT. Keyword being more. As in more than usual. As in extended minutes. As in KT playing more than he typically plays.

Nowhere in the conversation was it stated that KT would start getting DNP-CD's. You are either totally confused or trying to lie your way to pretend to know what you are talking about.

How is saying that KT would not get anymore minutes in those games than normal and me saying he would make me a liar? He did get "more" minutes. Even in the very next game KT got 18 minutes when he has only been playing 14 when we were arguing about Craig Smith. I said he is a low post player, you said no.

You said he would not get anymore minutes as in he would not be needed. I said I disagree and I expected in some of those games (Wolves, Raps) that he would get more PT. Oberto got hurt so we we cannot know if that is the only reason considering how well he played against them.

[timvp]

Does not change the fact that my opinion that KT would steal some minutes when healthy in this scenario bc he can do well in place of Oberto has been somewhat true

Props on taking credit for KT stealing minutes from an injured player

[timvp]

How is saying that KT would not get anymore minutes in those games than normal and me saying he would make me a liar?

You are lying by saying that I said somewhere that KT wouldn't play. You've said that about a dozen times in this thread ... including that post I just quoted calling you a liar.

[DPG21920]

You are lying by saying that I said somewhere that KT wouldn't play. You've said that about a dozen times in this thread ... including that post I just quoted calling you a liar.

You know exactly what I meant. I was referencing what you said in the other thread. Knowing that you knew what you said and so did I. I did not think I had to spell it out for you. Quit crying about nitpicky little things and focus on the main point.


(cue the "what is the point" comment)

[DPG21920]

I get what you are saying. I know you are saying the normal rotations this year have gone to Oberto with perimeter bigs. I was saying that was not entirely true in light of KT's injury. I thought that with KT fully healthy he would steal some minutes that normally have gone to Oberto so far.

A wrench got thrown into this when Oberto got hurt so KT had to have those minutes. Now we do not know if KT would have gotten more minutes anyways. Does not change the fact that my opinion that KT would steal some minutes when healthy in this scenario bc he can do well in place of Oberto has been somewhat true, bc he has done well in places where you say the minutes normally go to Oberto.

Props on taking credit for KT stealing minutes from an injured player

I was debating you before the injury that the reason for some of the rotations was not match-ups, but health. Just bc Oberto got injured does not mean I was wrong. You should try quoting in context. It looks like I was somewhat right bc I thought KT would get some of those minutes anyways from Oberto bc he could be effective, and he WAS.

[timvp]

You said that Kurt would see no time in the aforementioned games because of match-ups.

You know exactly what I meant.

You don't even seem to understand what you mean.

[DPG21920]

You don't even seem to understand what you mean.

No time = no extended time. That is what you said in the other thread, that is what I was referencing. No where did I say you said he would get DNP's.

[timvp]

No time = no extended time. That is what you said in the other thread, that is what I was referencing. No where did I say you said he would get DNP's.

You said he would not play in those games

Yeah, and I'm sure "he would not play" = no extended time, right?

[DPG21920]

Yeah, and I'm sure "he would not play" = no extended time, right?

Actually yes. Isn't that what you said in the other thread that we are discussing?

[timvp]

Actually yes. Isn't that what you said in the other thread that we are discussing?

Riiiiiight.

Link to me saying KT wouldn't play?

[DPG21920]

I said I thought KT would see a bump in minutes in the Wolves game and the Raps game bc he can do well. I never said I thought you literally meant he would not play, the whole argument is that he would not get extended PT bc Pop had "no use" for him in those match-ups.

[DPG21920]

Riiiiiight.

Link to me saying KT wouldn't play?

You just quoted it. You said he would not get any more minutes than normal in the games we are discussing. I said he would in the Raps/Wolves game. How hard is this to understand

[timvp]

I said I thought KT would see a bump in minutes in the Wolves game and the Raps game bc he can do well. I never said I thought you literally meant he would not play, the whole argument is that he would not get extended PT bc Pop had "no use" for him in those match-ups.

No the argument was that Oberto would play against perimeter bigs, per usual. Who said "no use"?

[DPG21920]

No the argument was that Oberto would play against perimeter bigs, per usual. Who said "no use"?

Did you not say that KT would not get extended time in "that 7-8 game" stretch?

[timvp]

You just quoted it. You said he would not get any more minutes than normal in the games we are discussing. I said he would in the Raps/Wolves game. How hard is this to understand

What kind of f'ed up language equates "not playing" and "not extended minutes"? If you tell me George Hill will not play next game should I assume that means he won't play more than usual.

Make sense, please.

[timvp]

Did you not say that KT would not get extended time in "that 7-8 game" stretch?

Did the light finally turn on?