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The lakers didnt roll the Jazz, every game came down to the final quarter... the Spurs they only truly "rolled" in game 2.
Here's the thing about Kobe, you put a player 1-2 inches taller than him with long arms, above average foot speed, and a disciplined defensive mindset on him and he shoots horribly. Marion, Prince, Battier, Pierce, Salmons, and Bowen before he got old are all examples of this. For someone who is supposed to be a franchise player he seems to have to adjust way too much to good defense.
The lakers didnt roll the Jazz, every game came down to the final quarter... the Spurs they only truly "rolled" in game 2.
ok..didnt really change my point, but ok.
The Pacers, Sixers and the Nets they faced were almost after thoughts.
During the WCF of those years (whom people said were the REAL championships), who did more damage to the Kings and Spurs?
Definitely not Shaq.
You might actually want to read up on this subject. Buss was never going to extend him for the amount of money Shaq wanted....especialy after the way he showed up Buss.
And they almost never won when he attempted less than 23 shots per game a few years ago.
What's your point?
Newsflash: They got a much better supporting cast around him now!
You made my point, they have a much better supporting cast this year, there is no reason for him to be taking 20 shots per game.
Gasol should be getting more touches, as should Bynum.
They could not have done it without each other, Shaq made Kobe better and Kobe made Shaq better. I'm saying Kobe could not have done it without a HOF center as good as Shaq, however, Shaq could have won les with several shooting guards that were maybe not as good as Kobe.
If the Kings and Spurs weren't focused so much on stopping Shaq and Kobe was the #1 offensive threat, Kobe would not have been able to score at will like he did. If you think I'm saying just subtract Kobe from those 3-peat Lakers and they still win all those les, forgive me, that is not what I mean. Obviously Shaq needed a scoring punch from the perimeter who would take advantage when the other team packed it in on Shaq.
Shaq was undoubtedly the best player on those teams, not even a question, not even an argument.
All the stat this thread is supposed to be about says is Kobe has yet to gain a good feel for when he needs to put the team on his back and take over because of how many other options there are on the Lakers. Not really his problem, it's impossible to predict what Llamar Odom and what Andrew Bynum is gonna show up to the game.
If the Laker's don't win a le this year, none of it will be Kobe's fault, even a Kobe hater will admit that. He has done whatever has been asked of him and has perhaps been too nice about it.
One of your best posts.
Lakers are integrating Bynum and Ariza, everybody has to adjust, including Kobe and Phil.
Good post.
And I agree.
What I took umbridge at is your earlier statement that Shaq "carried" Kobe.
They helped each other, dude.
Was Shaq a bigger factor day in and day out on those teams?
Sure.
Who had more impact in the last 5 minutes of those close game?
My point is that Shaq is a few years older and was in the league longer than Kobe but was just as much, if not more of a childish/selfish player.
And I truly believe that it took PJ to force those two immature players to co-exist (at least for awhile).
Those two wouldn't have won jack without PJ.
Gasol, I agree.
Bynum..umm.....no.
Anyways....
The bottom line is, is Kobe taking more shots disrupting the offensive flow of the game or did Kobe started taking more shots after the offensive flow stalled.
My main beef with this team is that they play great when things are peachy keen but they fall to pieces at the slightest pressure applied.
In those games the Lakers lost, what were the shooting percentage for the rest of the players besides Kobe?
I rather we lose with Kobe shooting than a Bynum or a Farmar shooting.
I disagree Allanon.
It's up to Bynum to adjust to Kobe and PJ.
Not the other way around.
Not complain about playing time in the 4th, where he hasn't proven so far.
when kobe shoots more then 20 shots, its usually when they are losing and he is trying to carry the team. Sometimes it works (8 wins), sometimes it dont (5 losses, tho some of the losses were by 1-2 points).
That stat the original poster makes is true, but can be twisted in so many ways.
I agree with this part Yellow guy. He hasn't played well in 3rd/4th quarters. I think it has to do with his conditioning. He needs to man up and hit the treadmill/track field.
Bingo... Back when Pho would meet them in the playoffs, I could walk away knowing the game was over when Kobe tries to take over and stops playing team ball, or when he refuses to contribute and just lets his team go down.
Dammit, kobe took over 21 shots against boston today!
Let's see how that stat looks come playoff time. If it is constant, it may mean something.
It means absolutely nothing, which is my main beef wth this thread.
Obviously the hater here are using it as proof that Kobe is selfish.
All it means is that the other players haven't been doing their jobs very well.
Kobe's pretty good about getting teammates involved these days.
Kobe made Gasol look good the last few minutes of the game.
lets see how this stats works...oh wait.
KOBE SHOT MORE THEN 20 SHOTS TODAY AND WON.
Remind me of this stat when Kobe actually loses more then wins when he shoots more then 20 times.
Lakers got eliminated in the First Round twice thank you.
Ohhh... is that back when the Suns were supposed to win a championship (didnt) and the lakers took them to 7 games with Smush "D league" Parker and Kwame "hands of stone" Brown??
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