And some of us know that we need Parker as much or more than we need Tim and Manu. We just want to see MASON GET SOME TOUCHES.
Which he is over the last two games. And we are happy about that.
And next, a young athletic Big to help our interior D would be nice (even though Matty has been a pleasant suprise of late on the DEFENSIVE end).
Pop, please find D. Watkins this week!
my fav is manu but I also like parker and as all (at least most) of us know: timmy is the man!
so no racism at all!
then again I'm german!....does it say, that I'm the born racist, that I'm the born frenchy rasist or does it say, that I'm from europe and dont count at all?
TONY! if you read that! (I know he doesnt!) WE SPURS FANS LOVE YOU!!! end discussion!
How in the world can you be a Spurs fan and not like one of the best pg's in the league? Now that his jumper is butter what else do you want besides his assists to go He's lethal and with Manu coming off the bench there's no debate unless you just want Manu to start but Parker is the best Pg we have so no way he comes off the bench.
I dont understand some of Spurs fans ditch Tony like that. He is a consistent star and major contributor in the playoffs. Some of you might dissapointed for his current performance but he is member of the Big 3 which basically foundation of Spurs. It is ridiculuous how fast people forgot how well he played when Manu was out. This drama should stop..it is better to focus on how Ian gonna fill out the Post Guy position beside Duncan, because Bonner played different style wonderfully, KT is horribly old and pretty much a banged up defence guy (luckily he's cheaper than he used to get paid), Fab getting his issues. Racism is stupid and everybody knows that..French people are gorgeous to begin with..
We should also focus on free agnecy 2009, because James is likely to resign with Cavs, especially looking at how they play and perform as a team. Bosh might be another long dream..but if Spurs get another one, he is definitely put Spurs on top of his list
That's a good point. I guess a lot of this is the Argentinan fans that place Manu's stat line over the Spurs wins and Championships on the importance scale.
He's in China because he stinks doorknob.And some of us know that we need Parker as much or more than we need Tim and Manu. We just want to see MASON GET SOME TOUCHES.
Which he is over the last two games. And we are happy about that.
And next, a young athletic Big to help our interior D would be nice (even though Matty has been a pleasant suprise of late on the DEFENSIVE end).
Pop, please find D. Watkins this week!
And some of us know that we need Parker as much or more than we need Tim and Manu. We just want to see MASON GET SOME TOUCHES.
Which he is over the last two games. And we are happy about that.
And next, a young athletic Big to help our interior D would be nice (even though Matty has been a pleasant suprise of late on the DEFENSIVE end).
Pop, please find D. Watkins this week!
I know right, as if on cue
The hate is actually a displacement of hate toward Tim Duncan for stealing Finals MVP from Manu in 2005. But because you just can't hate Tim Duncan, seeing as he's the unstoppable force, the immovable object, the bringer of championships, prince of the post and holy ruler of the hardwood, one must project their anger onto another. And that man is Tony Parker. These fans hate Tony for taking too many shots against the Cavaliers in the 2007 Finals en route to his MVP award. It was a real move in Game 3 when he didn't give Manu the ball at all so that Argentine Jesus' only points came on free throws at the end of the game. Such is the life of the Tony Parker Hater, always the devious house cat who is always picked up by the equally devious seven year old boy and enticed by playing with strings and laser pointers that he will never be able to catch and kill. But as the child sleeps, the cat lies awake at night, plotting his sweet revenge. It may come tomorrow, it may come in a year. But rest assured, the day of revenge will come.
I think you guys are glossing over the fact that many of Manu's hardcore following (who also happen to diss TP on a regular basis) just appreciate team play, and can't appreciate a PG, who is supposed to initiate the offense, being the guy with the most FGA. That said, personally I say if it's alright for pop, it's alright by me.
I think Timvp hit it on the head though, and it is hard to blame them.
To answer the original question, I'd say it's clear that's the reason for some posters (very few) and part of it (add the fame thing and stuff) for some more. But that's not the main reason.
For the argentinian, I don't think there's any hate. For most of them it's more the tony/manu pseudo rivalry. But, for most of them, as soon as they get you're a spurs fan and not some kind of national homer, everything's alright (eg : Manumania, one of my favorite poster).
i think theres no denying people get caught up in the frenchie thing. in 03 especially with the freedom fries and all that.
whenever i see games i see a lot of people wearing jerseys for each member of the big 3, and funnily enough from very diverse and overlapping backgrounds... (stadiums here are very different)
there are TP haters from lots of places, including the US. you dont have to be argentine to be an asshole.
there is no dislike for Tony by Spurs fans. Only a dislike by a pathetic handful of dip s that all happen to congregate on this website. The vast, vast majority of Spurs fans realize and acknowledge that he's not only a tremendously valuable part of this team, but also one of the best players in the entire leage.
I just heard Olivier Pheulpin (a french journalist who lives in SA) on a french radio. Some people here might know him.
He was asked about TP and what he would do in 3 years.
He said that some nights last year, after a bad game or a game where he didn't have many touches, TP were often telling him that he knew he was really fortunate to be in club like the spurs and that he could be playing for the clippers, getting 30 shoots a night but not winning peanuts.
I don't that people who thinks he's a selfish guy only looking for his points realize how much TP like his team and want to keep on making history with it.
He knows there's really something special in SA that doesn't happen very often in sport.
Kinda crazy when you have the best power forward ever in your team !One side thinks Tony's the Best, the other thinks Manu's the best. They're both trying to get the other guy traded
There are different styles of playing ball. And Pop has adapted our offense to emphasize our strengths. Nothing wrong with that.
But you have to acknowledge that for those who are used to a more traditional system and a more traditional point, the fact that our PG gets all the attempts could be seen as blasphemous.
BUT: That being said, these detractors are attributing Tony's high FGA to Tony himself, without considering the fact that it's Pop who calls the gameplan, and if Tony were doing this unilaterally, he would be on the bench after two quarters.
I guess you could say they have a beef with Pop not Tony.
I also have no doubt that if Pop told Tony to take 10 shots or less per game, he would do it for the team.
I don't honestly really get your point.
I mean, what's wrong with your PG taking shots if he's scoring? If bonner goes 20 for 25 shooting and we win so what? No matter who is taking the shots and what position he plays as long as that person is making the most of it. Bball is a game of matchup, you always go where you have the high hand (not sure if it's gramaticaly correct). Give the ball down low to Tim, let Manu create and let Tony get benefit from his slashing.
I don't think there's anything wrong with going to your best matchup. But I'm trying to point out the fact that there are different schools of thought, and some schools say the ball should go to the open man no matter what his number is, not the best player (or the most favorable matchup).I don't honestly really get your point.
I mean, what's wrong with your PG taking shots if he's scoring? If bonner goes 20 for 25 shooting and we win so what? No matter who is taking the shots and what position he plays as long as that person is making the most of it. Bball is a game of matchup, you always go where you have the high hand (not sure if it's gramitically correct
Honestly, my constant concern is that the Spurs are going to look around come crunch time, and they won't be able to find role players capable of stepping up. I think that killed us last year, and I think we need to make sure Bonner, Hill, Kurt and MASON are going to be peaking at the end of the year (I wish I could say that about Ian).
If the development of these players comes at the cost of some W's in the short term, I think its worth it. If it comes at the cost of TP's all-star bid, so be it. Let us have the best team when the playoffs start, that's all I want.
To sum it all up:
Don't knock it if it works.
Another angle could be due to his Hollywood image. Rapper, husband of famous actress, etc...that is anti-Spur.
Surprisingly it doesn't affect his on-court performance one bit.
So it's probably the French thing.
Ok see what you mean now.
It's a bit like your Mason thread (no offense there man). But in my opinion, as good and promising as RMJ is and as well as he seems to mesh with our core, he's MILES away from being as proven as Tim and to a lesser extent Manu and Tony. They won rings together, are all stars and are one of the best at what each of them are doing. Don't misunderstand me though I really love our role players, they're the difference between a really good team and a true contender. But I want my "stars" to get the most touches no matter what. Wether it's Tim, Manu or Tony. If Matt, Georgie and RMJ combine for 30 shots when our big three goes for 10, we're in big trouble lol.
Tony only works about 80-90% of the time. I've seen teams shut him down completely (as I've seen the same with Tim).
Any championship caliber team can implement a defense to Tony out of the game.
You've got to know your limitations, no need to get y. And you've got to have a plan B, and a plan C, and a plan ...MASON!
Dude's a killer.
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