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CQ,
I think I covered what they were thinking here....
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11287
Thanks, Whott! I appreciate the encouragement. But, probably as most of you on this board are trying to do, I'm wondering what the plan is.I dunno cqsallie...but I have noticed your posts on this board and I have been pretty impressed with them. Keep it up
A lot of us may be thinking, "If it ain't broke..." At the same time, we could see that Rasho flowed and ebbed like the tide (but not with the same certainty) and we could have been greatly improved with a center of Shak's calibur. That lacking, what the heck was the Spurs' organization hoping to accomplish with this trade (other than ridding itself of Malik's contract)?
There has to be something more. Will we ever get the true poop on the Rose-Pop relationship? Was that a factor?
I have so many questions and so few answers....
CQ,
I think I covered what they were thinking here....
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11287
Hey, Isiah may not be a financial genius...but he knows crappy players when they are under his nose...See Ward, Charlie...I remember this same media bemoaning the loss of Ward...
Not at all.the CBA was going under anywayHe had alot of money.how do you think one man was able to buy it?Where does he usually draft? Which of his picks are playing for him now outside of Sweetney and Ariza?the Spurs don't have much on him on making great draft picks.He just added $30 million to the payroll yesterday. How does that help?Everyone blames Isiah for the Knicks bad financial situation.Keeping low first rounders is the exception for the Spurs, not the rule.we gave up two #1 picksMo Taylor?Isiah can't stand clock punchers
Isaiah was one of my favorite players as a kid and still is one of my favorite players of all-time.
But man, he sucks as a GM. There must be a method to his madness, right?
I don't understand the deals for Rose and Taylor, who now give the Knicks 4 PFs! When I heard the Knicks were shopping Nazr, I thought the idea of trading him or KT was to free up time for Sweetney. Now Sweetney will have to battle Rose and Taylor for PT.
The only reason why I think he made the Nazr deal was that he thought he could swing another deal with the draft picks. He might still be able to in the off-season (e.g., Tim Thomas + 1st round pick for Jalen Rose).
Yep! That's the explanation I was afraid of! Can we discuss the typical stiff NBA Center? Who are the great centers? Where are the great centers? Will the Spurs ever have one?
Kurt Thomas
Mike Sweetney
Malik Rose
Jerome Williams
Mo Taylor
How are these minutes going to be split?
We've found our level rather quickly.Where are the great centers? Will the Spurs ever have one?
The Spurs already had a stiff at center. Now we have someone with better averages across the board. And a better salary cap position to boot. Seriously Whott, I don't see your logic here.Yep! That's the explanation I was afraid of! Can we discuss the typical stiff NBA Center? Who are the great centers? Where are the great centers? Will the Spurs ever have one?
He's made room for an expert forward. If you want to go on about Scola's not being proven, then you never would've signed Malik in the first place either.If most teams are moving away from true centers and giving that role to expert forwards, why is Pop looking for a true center?
And don't be fooled, Zeke asked for Rasho.
Yes! I just read it. Thanks for pointing me in that direction. I realize that we're speaking out of emotion here, but what can you expect? I'd hope that fans were emotional on my behalf if I found myself suddenly off a team after almost 8 years.
I agree with your proposed strategy. It does indeed look good on paper. It's hard, however, to insert reasonableness into an emotionally-charged situation. We're remembering the times that Malik stepped up - reminding me of an old R&B song, "It's Only The Good Times I Remember."
Thanks Aggie fan!
Why is Whott defending Isiah? He must not be a Spurs fan....oh wait yeah he is.
What is done is done, time to move on, let's hope Nazeeeer goes well with this Spurs team
AGREE,before amyone ask he came out and said I do not want to coach the lakers,now that was funny
The aren't many great Centers in the NBA these days...and the main reason why is that guys who would have traditionally played Center have started to play other positions...Yep! That's the explanation I was afraid of! Can we discuss the typical stiff NBA Center? Who are the great centers? Where are the great centers? Will the Spurs ever have one?
Duncan is most NBA eras is a Center. As is Garnett, as is Nowitzki...even J O'Neal.
And to answer your question...there's one great true C in the NBA and his name is Shaq...Yao is ok but honestly he's not fit to hold the C's of the 90's jock. Every other guy, with the exception of maybe Brad Miller, is either an out of position undersized PF...or a passive stiff.
This pheonomenon of people on an insane quest for the prototypical starting C who has toughness and physicality and the back to the basket game...they are just chasing their tails. What they seek doesn't exist in the NBA at this time...and if it does it's not playing C for a lottery team.
It's just a grass is greener mentality...
And the reality of it is...the Spurs biggest problem is not lack of size...if we choose to we can have arguably the best C in the NBA just by moving Duncan to C and putting Horry or Rose at PF(something we do from time to time anyway)...
Our problem is a lack of toughness, we can be soft from time to time.....and we just sent the toughness to New York for another passive and inconsistent bigman.
Better averages across the board? He plays for a lottery team in the East!
Minutes ought to be easier to come by on that team...than on a team with Robert Horry fighting you for bench minutes and Rasho being the unquestioned starter because of his skill set and size.
Look...I don't think Isiah is the ty judge of talent that you guys think he is, regardless of how loose his pocketbook is...Burn me once Charlie Ward and it's shame on you...burn me twice....
And I also don't think the Spurs gold, they are a great organization..the absolute best...but they do screw up and misjudge things...they've just been lucky in that a lot of what would have been their biggest mistakes never happened because of factors beyond their control.
I don't think this move made it easier for us to win the le this season...that's why I am ing. We changed our chemistry...we gave away the main back up big from our last le and a player tied for the longest tenure with the team...and now we got to break in this new guy that has been playing for teams like the Hawks and Knicks his whole life...with 20 games left in the season.
Ever hear the adage: if it aint broke don't fix it?
In terms of finances...it's a good move...and I've never tried to claim it wasn't....but you'll excuse me if I don't get the same sense of excitement over Holt saving some bucks as I do at the prospects of winning an NBA le.
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That's crap, you are just throwing media smack out there...
What has that got do with it, Alfedrick?Where does he usually draft?
Geez he's only beein the GM there for a year and half...unless I am mistaken he's been there for one draft and has two picks playing for him...how many of Pop's picks are still playing for him after 10 years? 4?Which of his picks are playing for him now outside of Sweetney and Ariza?
And before you start..I'm not saying the Spurs are bad at drafting...I am saying that your point is weak.
He was smart enough to know Stoudamire was a better player than O'Bannon...were you? I didn't know it. I thought he was dumbass...well Mighty Mouse stole the ROY award out of nowhere and is still playing the NBA. He's got a lot of draft picks still playing in the NBA. And just about all of them have game.
His financial situation was impossible when he took the job...the fact that he has been able to add a guy like Marbury is pretty impressive. Imagine if we had to work around that Houston contract as badly as Malik's contract seems to have ed us up.He just added $30 million to the payroll yesterday.
I dunno...he''s probably going to have a high pick as well as another 1st rounder and a bunch of quality bench PF's that contending teams are going to like...he's pretty much got the market cornered on undersized PF's with game.How does that help?
He's set up to try and move up in the draft...or just draft straight...it's going to be funny if he is able to turn all this crap into Bogut...
The point is moot...our biggest need is a high quality long SF...and there have been quite a few of those found in the bottom of the draft the past few years... Isiah found one in the second round.Keeping low first rounders is the exception for the Spurs,
Mo Taylor isn't total ...he's an alright player...he's not exactly needed but I think Mo Taylor is a better player than the guys that were sent to Houston.Mo Taylor?
Look...I'm not really trying to defend him...but you guys are acting like he's a total dumbass and incompetent, when the truth is he actually has a decent eye for talent...and remember, he was high on Mohammed at one point...he's not now...why is that? Maybe 23-32 has something to do with it....
Last edited by whottt; 02-26-2005 at 10:02 AM.
It only cost $9 million, and Zeke only put up half of that and started welching on his payments when he found out he wasn't going to get a windfall from selling the league to the NBA. Fact.That's crap, you are just throwing media smack out there...It is easier to get a good player in the lottery than at #30. Fact.What has that got do with itHe made it worse. Fact.His financial situation was impossible when he took the job.So much so that he could never use them properly. Fact.he's pretty much got the market cornered on undersized PF's with game.We actually found one in FA and could easily have one in the draft or in this next signing.The point is moot...our biggest need is a high quality long SF...and there have been quite a few of those found in the bottom of the draft the past few years.
For more money, more years? He's the epitome of the clock-puncher you say Zeke isn't looking for.Mo Taylor isn't total ...he's an alright player...he's not exactly needed but I think Mo Taylor is a better player than the guys that were sent to Houston.Look back at the list.Look...I'm not really trying to defend him...but you guys are acting like he's a total dumbass and incompetent, when the truth is he actually has a decent eye for talent.So that's all on Nazr? Zeke got Nazr (and signed Jamison Brewer as a free agent) in the first place, so he didn't have an eye for talent then? Make up your mind.and remember, he was high on Mohammed at one point...he's not now...why is that? Maybe 23-32 has something to do with it....
lol no .
If he has a an eye for talent, than Nazr is obviously talented.
If he has an eye for talent, why the did he sign Mengke Bateer and Jamison Brewer.
Whottt, the only worse GM than Isiah was Layden
Now why would he do that since the CBA was the greatest investment in history? An ATM machine? All he had to do was dump 9 million into it and then surely he'd be giving Ted Turner and Dell a run for their money.
Tell that to the Clippers.It is easier to get a good player in the lottery than at #30.
You live in an inpetrable fog of denseness lacking the ability to see either forwards or backwards. Fact.He made it worse. Fact.
I'm going to start calling you here and now....if a player has a bad he game...In Chump world that means he has always sucked and always will suck.
You don't seem to understand that by taking on certain salaries he might possibly be putting himself into a position get rid of even more of them, while improving his draft position. I'm not saying that's going to happen, but it doesn't take a whole lot of foresight to see how it could happen and why he would do that.
Who says he has any plans on using all of them? Do you really think that is his intention?So much so that he could never use them properly.
And so could he...which I imagine is why he wants draft picks more than Mohammed.We actually found one in FA and could easily have one in the draft or in this next signing.
I've never thought Mo Taylor was a clockpuncher...he just doesn't like to play D.
I do...it's a list of players he's gotten since coming to the Knicks...and it includes at least two players the Spurs have also traded for...Look back at the list.
I guess because he doesn't have Tim Duncan on it...he sucks.
What you fail to realize is that he can't just get any players he wants.
Stupid ! I'm talking drafting...As far as FA goes..So that's all on Nazr? Zeke got Nazr (and signed Jamison Brewer as a free agent) in the first place, so he didn't have an eye for talent then? Make up your mind.
He can't just go out and get whoever he wants.
And futhermore...it's a of a lot easier to judge talent that has played for you than it is outside talent...
Charlie ing Ward.
Mo ing Taylor
Are you really this ing stupid TPark?
I guess you are saying RC doesn't have an eye for talent either then...since he traded for Mengke Bateer.
He liked Mohammed..he got him, he got the experience of Mohammed playing for him...and then he let him go...for late round draft picks and an under-sized PF. I wonder why.
I mean he's not trading Marbury away for late round draft picks and undersized PF...why not if he's as stupid as you guys think?
Hes an idiot for NOT trading Marbury.
Fine
Isaih = God
God whottt you love to in suck of the worst people in the world.
Heal, Coyote, Palmeiro, now Thomas the GM.
I dont understand how you can hate on a in player that gets 11 and 9, and before his injury, was doing it consistently TOO!!!!!!!!
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