Amber alert

[I. Hustle]

I wasn't talking about just you, B2B. Way to jump to conclusions.

I hope you didn't mean me then because I happen to be an American of Mexican descent. A if you will. I have pics to prove it.

[I. Hustle]

So here's the thing with this one. She's either going to do it against her parents will and get in a lot of (like this) or the parents can agree to this (as much as they can grin and bear it) and keep their daughter. Which would you rather have? A daughter who you never see because you told her you won't agree to her relationship or a daughter who you see everyday begrudgingly? I'd take the latter.

Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

[ashbeeigh]

Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Genius response, but I was serious.


Maybe because you haven't had to deal with something like that.

[mrsmaalox]

Its not racism. I'm stereotyping based on my experience with credit over the last 10 years. I'm not exaggerating either. This is what I've found to be true. I kept real up to the day statistics to support it up until about a year ago.

Maalox: Big deal. You must have a friend that either acts or wants to be white or is in the upper 5% if she's under 35.

I didn't mean all mexicans. Most but not all.

My bad. My friend is actually Puerto Rican! You win.

[BacktoBasics]

We need a Spurstalk Jump to Conclusions Mat.

[Dex]

So here's the thing with this one. She's either going to do it against her parents will and get in a lot of (like this) or the parents can agree to this (as much as they can grin and bear it) and keep their daughter. Which would you rather have? A daughter who you never see because you told her you won't agree to her relationship or a daughter who you see everyday begrudgingly? I'd take the latter.

So you'd rather let the daughter set her boundaries in fear of her leaving? At age 15? It sounds like that brings up some control issues.

I'm not trying to bag on anybodies way of raising their children (albeit, maybe the people mentioned in this news articles'). I don't have any children, and am hopefully still a pretty good ways away from being there. But I felt like my parents did a pretty decent job of raising me into a responsible adult.

Yeah, they gave me leeway and let me do things they probably didn't want me doing. But they also know when to draw lines and make me understand what was wrong, even if I didn't like them for it. That seems like the double-edged sword of parental responsibility, but when it comes down to it, your parents will always be your parents and your children, children.

The fact that these parents had given up on a 15-year-old girl and let her move in with a guy who, from the sounds of it, has a history of physical abuse, for any period of time is a testament to the fact that they obviously weren't trying very hard.

[ashbeeigh]

So you'd rather let the daughter set her boundaries in fear of her leaving? At age 15? It sounds like that brings up some major control issues.

I'm not trying to bag on anybodies way of raising their children (albeit, maybe the people mentioned in this news articles'). I don't have any children, and am hopefully still a pretty good ways away from being there. But I felt like my parents did a pretty decent job of raising me into a responsible adult.

Yeah, they gave me leeway and let me do things they probably didn't want me doing. But they also know when to draw lines and make me understand what was wrong, even if I didn't like them for it. That seems like the double-edged sword of parental responsibility, but when it comes down to it, your parents will always be your parents and your children, children.

The fact that these parents had given up on a 15-year-old girl and let her move in with a guy who, from the sounds of it, has a history of physical abuse, for any period of time is a testament to the fact that they obviously weren't trying very hard.

I'm not saying I would have done that, I'm saying it was a possibility. Heck no. If this was my 15 year old she would be in that "grounded forever" stage until she turned 21 if she was dating a 23 year old.

[I. Hustle]

So you'd rather let the daughter set her boundaries in fear of her leaving? At age 15? It sounds like that brings up some control issues.

I'm not trying to bag on anybodies way of raising their children (albeit, maybe the people mentioned in this news articles'). I don't have any children, and am hopefully still a pretty good ways away from being there. But I felt like my parents did a pretty decent job of raising me into a responsible adult.

Yeah, they gave me leeway and let me do things they probably didn't want me doing. But they also know when to draw lines and make me understand what was wrong, even if I didn't like them for it. That seems like the double-edged sword of parental responsibility, but when it comes down to it, your parents will always be your parents and your children, children.

The fact that these parents had given up on a 15-year-old girl and let her move in with a guy who, from the sounds of it, has a history of physical abuse, for any period of time is a testament to the fact that they obviously weren't trying very hard.

Word to your mother

[Dex]

I'm not saying I would have done that. Heck no. If this was my 15 year old she would be in that "grounded forever" stage until she turned 21 if she was dating a 23 year old.

llllll yes. That's more like it.

Meanwhile, I don't even have to be a father to tell you that any guy who ever laid a hurting finger on one of my daughters better not ever find himself within my sight.

How these parents could let their kid run around with this guy is just bonkers. And then people wonder why things like this happen.

[I. Hustle]

Now that I have a daughter (a beautiful gorgeous baby girl, if you want me to pm pics just ask ) I just couldn't see myself letting that happen. ESPECIALLY if he is in his 20's. All that means is that I can beat him down and not feel so bad about it.

[ploto]

How is it an Amber Alert if they were married and living together?

I ask simply because the Amber alert system has been applied in a very non-uniform way by law enforcement officials who have parents pressuring them. In many states it is not used for family squabbles, custody fights, etc... only when someone is abducted by a stranger or in danger.

[I. Hustle]

They did say possibly married right? Maybe they figured out a way to get married without family knowing or the fam suspects that they are without really knowing for sure.

[Dex]

Congrats on the new bundle of joy, I. Hustle!

[I. Hustle]

Congrats on the new bundle of joy, I. Hustle!

Thank you.

[JoeChalupa]

Parenting is the toughest job in the world and no two parents parent the same way. I've got a 14 yr old daughter and I will do my hardest not to allow her to get into this type of situation but I'm also not naive enough to believe that she'll always do as I wish.

And calling it stereotyping is just a cop out.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

How is it an Amber Alert if they were married and living together?

I ask simply because the Amber alert system has been applied in a very non-uniform way by law enforcement officials who have parents pressuring them. In many states it is not used for family squabbles, custody fights, etc... only when someone is abducted by a stranger or in danger.

I'm not here to talk about why one was issued here, but the cops said the legality of a possible marriage is in question and the supposed marriage took place in Mexico. They did say Camacho was taken from her sister's home by force, though.

I do agree that I've seen some recent Ambers that were custodial issues, though.

[mrsmaalox]

The age of consent in Mexico ranges from age of puberty (12) to 18, depending on the state. So maybe the relationship was perfectly okay with family; but the forced abduction complicates it for law enforcement here. Who knows, the forced abduction may be acceptable some places in Mexico also!

[AlamoSpursFan]

I'm in the 36-55 year old range.

And my credit sucks ass.

Orale!

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Selma PD just sent us Mora's arrest affidavit. It's on the story... I can't embed it here.

[Bigzax]

seems like they list mr. mora as a white male on that affidavit...

oookay.

[TwAnKiEs]

23yo + 15 yo = Fail.

[ploto]

...the cops said the legality of a possible marriage is in question and the supposed marriage took place in Mexico. They did say Camacho was taken from her sister's home by force, though.

But that still to me does not make it an Amber alert situation. Even if there are questions about the legality of the marriage, it clearly said they LIVED together. So I do not see how a system created to protect abducted children really is appropriate. I am firm about my concerns because these have become too commonly used for situations not within the originally intended parameters, and their overuse causes people to ignore them.

Was it not that long ago that some girl went on a trip with her boyfriend and they issued an Amber Alert. She and her boyfriend had no clue anyone was even looking for them until they saw a story and called and told everyone she was fine. I guess my point is that parents can not use Amber alerts suddenly to control their kids' relationships that they have allowed to exist. Also, there was a case in that same area where the parents went ballistic at the cops for not issuing an Amber alert when the guy had been living in their home with their daughter and then they got mad and wanted the relationship to end.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

But that still to me does not make it an Amber alert situation. Even if there are questions about the legality of the marriage, it clearly said they LIVED together. So I do not see how a system created to protect abducted children really is appropriate. I am firm about my concerns because these have become too commonly used for situations not within the originally intended parameters, and their overuse causes people to ignore them.

Was it not that long ago that some girl went on a trip with her boyfriend and they issued an Amber Alert. She and her boyfriend had no clue anyone was even looking for them until they saw a story and called and told everyone she was fine. I guess my point is that parents can not use Amber alerts suddenly to control their kids' relationships that they have allowed to exist. Also, there was a case in that same area where the parents went ballistic at the cops for not issuing an Amber alert when the guy had been living in their home with their daughter and then they got mad and wanted the relationship to end.

I'm not here to defend nor chastise Selma, but if they believe she was abducted, under 17 and believed to be in danger, I think that's the criteria for Texas.

[ashbeeigh]

Spencer and Heidi were married in Mexico and that wasn't even legal. Mexican marriage? I think not.

from wikipedia about the criteria for an Amber Alert:

1.Law enforcement must confirm that an abduction has taken place
2.The child must be at risk of serious injury or death
3.There must be sufficient descriptive information of child, captor, or captor's vehicle to issue an alert
4.The child must be 17 years old or younger

[AlamoSpursFan]

Spencer and Heidi were married in Mexico and that wasn't even legal. Mexican marriage? I think not.

I was married in a drunken stupor...does that count?