Spurs D compared to Celts' and Cavs'

[my2sons]

Spurs are not a top defendsive team right now. We need to get opp FG% down under 42% to be considered a great defensive team.......Lets first try to learn to not be taken into double overtime by the woarst teams in the league then we can talk!

Thirty teams, spurs ranked 6th after a horrible start, ya spurs aren't one of the top defensive teams right now.

[MarHill]

No foolish, not a overrecation we are comparing our D now....read the thread. Bonner is not gonna get any taller, nor will his arms suddenly grow. Tim has no leaping ability at all and has slowed in his rotations. Bowen plays 12 mins a game and is no longer a shut down guy!

Our D is what it is, we are not a great defensive team right now, and unless Ian and Deke give us more size and shot blocking or D isnt gonna get any better. Tim has peaked, Fin is starting at the SF and is not a good defender and Bonner try as he may is not a great defender.

Yes, right now it's not the best in the league.

Tim couldn't jump in the last several years..what's new about that!

Of course Bonner isn't going to any taller!

They have still held teams 23 of 30 games under 100 points and opponents are shooting 45%....it's a good defensive team not great.

But they are four months left in the season and plenty of time to get their defense better.

Defense in the NBA isn't just about height and size. It's about rotations and being in the right position at the right time.

By the way, I did read the thread!!

[MarHill]

No foolish, not a overrecation we are comparing our D now....read the thread. Bonner is not gonna get any taller, nor will his arms suddenly grow. Tim has no leaping ability at all and has slowed in his rotations. Bowen plays 12 mins a game and is no longer a shut down guy!

Our D is what it is, we are not a great defensive team right now, and unless Ian and Deke give us more size and shot blocking or D isnt gonna get any better. Tim has peaked, Fin is starting at the SF and is not a good defender and Bonner try as he may is not a great defender.

I was saying you overreacted to an 2OT game against Memphis. Bad teams can play well in a 82 game season.

[Sissiborgo]

We have good D...My opinion the best D

[Solid D]

Remember, we hold people under 100 because we play slow, that does not mean your a good defensive team. Limiting an opponents shot attemps is gonna lower ppg given up. The best gauge of a good D is fg% 39-41% your a great defensive team, 42-44 good....45-46 good to avg.

You stated we allow 45% fg, that is not good. Keep in mind that number may be held lower becasue we are such a good defensive rebounding team.

Tim has never been a great athlete but look at him in 2003-4 and now, he is much slower in his rotations and no longer jumps to block alot of shots.

Bonner and Fin are below avg defenders, Parker is avg Mason is abouve avg and Duncan is great. That does not make a good defensive team.

Say what you want but when your a slow down team and you allow a very bad team to take you to OT on your home court thats not the mark of a contender. I can see if this happend one time Ok you had a bad game, but this has happened several times. We cant be a great defensive team without having good defensive players.

For today's NBA, I would adjust your Opp FG% up a couple of points for your "great" defensive teams. The best modern era season was produced by the Spurs .401 in 1999 and that was a 50-game season and that was pre-hand-check rules changes. I would say in today's NBA, .420 is great for that statistical category.

[SpurAddict561]

I've been very amazed how these two teams have consistently played great D this season, along with a few other teams. I think teams have finally figured out that D wins championships.

How do you think the Spurs' D will match up with these two teams'? I mean these two teams have given up 100pts just two times this season, which is an amazing, amazing stat. I'd like to know how you think the Spurs will fare against them.

Considering 70% of their games are against EAST opponents, it's no surprise they hold teams to under 100 on a regular basis.

put it like this, my buddy is a Laker fan, and I broke it down to him

the ONLY team in the West that can roll with the Lakers DEFENSIVELY....is US

PERIOD

I'd say Celts, Spurs, Cavs defensively

[Tbiggums47]

Considering 70% of their games are against EAST opponents, it's no surprise they hold teams to under 100 on a regular basis.

put it like this, my buddy is a Laker fan, and I broke it down to him

the ONLY team in the West that can roll with the Lakers DEFENSIVELY....is US

PERIOD

I'd say Celts, Spurs, Cavs defensively

I'd say the Spurs would be better that Boston and LA if they had another big man who could and would help Tim on the weak side or could represent another shot blocker when penetrators get pass Tim.

[honestfool84]

yeah, we need a good shot blocker.


but it's the offense that is worrying me.

[honestfool84]

but you know what, defense wins 'ships, not offense.


just ask the spurs and suns.

[SpurAddict561]

I'd say the Spurs would be better that Boston and LA if they had another big man who could and would help Tim on the weak side or could represent another shot blocker when penetrators get pass Tim.

Kurt Thomas is that guy, but he doesn't get much burn these days

did you not see him basically single handedly finish off the Grizz the other night?

now don't think "oh its the Grizz", because it was Rudy Gay & OJ Mayo he stuffed

who are 2 All Star caliber players REGARDLESS what team they're on

high five Kurt daddddy

[MarHill]

Remember, we hold people under 100 because we play slow, that does not mean your a good defensive team. Limiting an opponents shot attemps is gonna lower ppg given up. The best gauge of a good D is fg% 39-41% your a great defensive team, 42-44 good....45-46 good to avg.

You stated we allow 45% fg, that is not good. Keep in mind that number may be held lower becasue we are such a good defensive rebounding team.

Tim has never been a great athlete but look at him in 2003-4 and now, he is much slower in his rotations and no longer jumps to block alot of shots.

Bonner and Fin are below avg defenders, Parker is avg Mason is abouve avg and Duncan is great. That does not make a good defensive team.

Say what you want but when your a slow down team and you allow a very bad team to take you to OT on your home court thats not the mark of a contender. I can see if this happend one time Ok you had a bad game, but this has happened several times. We cant be a great defensive team without having good defensive players.

Again I believe your overstating your case.

I don't think people understand that an 82 game season is a grind. As we fans expect perfection...which just unrealistic!!

The fact they had several (actually 3) double OT games....it can happen. That doesn't the Spurs are all of sudden a bad defensive team. I will admit they are not a great defensive team yet....but they are not terrible either.

I can go through the regular season of the past 5 years and find where the Spurs had some bad losses to bad teams and won some close games to bad teams.

But to think that the Spurs (even the mighty Celtics) are going through a 82 game season and just blow every bad team out is terribly realistic.

There is a reason the Chicago Bulls are the only team in NBA History to go over 70 wins. And the Lakers of the 70's won 69 games.

Even the Dallas Mavericks the won 67 games in 2005-2006 was spent in the 1st round playoff matchup against the Warriors. Yes, I know it was a perfect matchup for the Warriors.

My point is you don't just blow through everybody in an 82 game season and the fact that we won those games...shows we are a good team when you don't play well!!

[Solid D]

I think you can also add Detroit to the list of great, or at least very good defensive teams. I'm very impressed with their bench D, in particular...the best I've seen this year.

[SpurAddict561]

If we get Dikembe we'll be 1st from then on out