It would have been entertaining, though.
Explain why.
Elite teams generally don't have top shelf receiving tight ends (and if they do, they don't make them the focal point of the passing game). Witten's value is still sky high, which can get you something of value in another larger area of need.
So tell me why trading Witten is ridiculous.
Because Witten wasn't the problem this year.
He's the best receiver on the team. He's the most consistent receiver on the team. T.O. is probably gone. They can't afford to lose their two best receivers.
I understand Witten was great this year. But while he specifically hasn't been a problem, he's part of an offense that can't pull their head out of their ass. Which makes him part of the problem.
I think Tony is too attached to Witten, and his already questionable decision-making is worsened when his security blanket is out there. He already threw one game away by forcing it excessively to Witten, against Pittsburgh.
I just don't see how having Witten here helps Romo develop further. Again, I'm not saying Witten is a bad player, or that he's done anything negative to warrant removing him from the team. I just don't think Romo will ever develop any further as long as he has Witten as a security blanket. And as long as Witten is Romo's main target, the Cowboys will never be a great team.
WRONG! They generally do have top shelf receiving tight ends.
he's shouldn't be the focal point, agree. When Bill was here Witten wasn't the focal point. The problem is coaching not the player.(and if they do, they don't make them the focal point of the passing game). Witten's value is still sky high, which can get you something of value in another larger area of need.
Because he arguably the best TE in football. Not just talent wise, but he's exactly the kind of at ude a championship team needs. He plays hurt, fights for every yard and makes clutch plays.So tell me why trading Witten is ridiculous.
#1 - yeah this should probably be done, but he's still under contract and probably won't accept a trade. how do we get this done?
#2 - no ing way. you're absolutely nuts. you take away Witten, you take away what's left of the heart of this team
#3 - yeah Tony really needs to start playing like himself
#4 - can't accept this, yeah I'm biased, he was my favorite player growing up and I have his jersey. probably a good move football wise, the whole secondary needs to be revamped aside Newman.
#5 - sounds good to me, just make sure that Tony is back to making plays, otherwise defenses will just stack the line.
-Mars
Really? Name them. Or are you stupid enough to think Kevin Boss, Ben Watson, Heath Miller, or Dallas Clark are "elite"? You can halfway make an argument for Clark, but even then it's a stretch to put him in the same class as Gates/Gonzalez/Witten. Besides, everyone knows that Wayne and Harrison are options 1 and 2, nobody makes the mistake of thinking Dallas Clark is the most dangerous receiver on the field.
Elite teams have very good tight ends who know their role in the system. Elite teams don't force it to their tight end ever.
The problem is Tony Romo. He is so reliant on Witten that he actually goes braindead with his throws at times just because he can't think of anything else but to throw it to Jason. And you're not going to change Romo's mentality on this.
And as I said already, getting another great tight end is considerably easier than getting another great quarterback.
That at ude got your team 9-7 and else. Ridding yourself of Terrell Owens will do alot more to help the team at ude than keeping Jason Witten. Jason Witten will play great and make great plays, but he'll also forever hinder the development of Tony Romo. It's not his fault, it's Tony's.
There definitely can be truth to this, when two players depend on each other a lot. Sometimes they are not able to develop their game further. Granted, it is a different sport, but look at Dirk and Nash. Both of them were very good together, but when they split and were allowed to each do the things they did best for their teams, they became HOF material, and both of their teams became better than any team they had when they were together.
calling someone stupid doesn't do you any favors. It's actually funny coming from you, but I'll go ahead and play. Dallas Clark is absolutely an elite "receiving" TE. Ben Watson, Heath Miller and Shockey (at one time) are top shelf receiving TE.
you said top shelf, not hall of fame.You can halfway make an argument for Clark, but even then it's a stretch to put him in the same class as Gates/Gonzalez/Witten.
at their best they are all equally dangerous. However, WR should make bigger plays.Besides, everyone knows that Wayne and Harrison are options 1 and 2, nobody makes the mistake of thinking Dallas Clark is the most dangerous receiver on the field.
Witten was just fine when Parcells was here.Elite teams have very good tight ends who know their role in the system. Elite teams don't force it to their tight end ever.
Coaching.The problem is Tony Romo. He is so reliant on Witten that he actually goes braindead with his throws at times just because he can't think of anything else but to throw it to Jason. And you're not going to change Romo's mentality on this.
and? the quarterback needs to grow and get better.And as I said already, getting another great tight end is considerably easier than getting another great quarterback.
That at ude got your team 9-7 and else. Ridding yourself of Terrell Owens will do alot more to help the team at ude than keeping Jason Witten. Jason Witten will play great and make great plays, but he'll also forever hinder the development of Tony Romo. It's not his fault, it's Tony's.[/quote]
You don't watch the Patriots much, do you?
same ing thing. top shelf is the best of the best. Are you really trying to make a point with something as re ed as this?
to say that Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark are equally dangerous players is all I need to know. You're an idiot.
Name me a coach who has completely changed the entire mentality of a quarterback.
Yeah the Cowboys won so many playoff games in the Parcells era I can't even think of one.
I don't have much to add to this thread as I don't give 2 s about the Cowboys, but what possessed you to say something as re ed as this?
Biggest issue to fix is Jerry Jones - be a in owner, leave the team alone. Let your coaching staff make the decisions on who to sign, and how to run it. This will let you get an actual in coach in there. We had one in Parcells, and we saw where that went - I honestly think if we hadn't taken TO, Parcells would still be here and we'd probably have a SB. Romo has only started to completely suck under Phillips.
As to trade Witten? No thanks - there reason he's the in security blanket is HE MAKES THE IN CATCHES. TO is so in unreliable, it's a joke. I used to think he was damn awesome - and he is - when he wants to play.
Oh, and Pacman? Yah, he should stick to being a CB - not a punt returner. He's been pretty decent at CB and providing the blitz.
R. Williams needs to be moved to OLB opposite of Ware - stick with Jenkins in the SS position, let him grow. R. Williams and Ware would scare the absolute out of a QB, and give us the #1 pass rushing defense in the league.
Oh, and in FINE FLOZELL ADAMS A GAMES PAY IF HE FALSE STARTS. Mother er is good, but annoying with the re ed false starts.
If Manning has a wide open Reggie Wayne and a wide open Dallas Clark, he goes to Wayne every time.
If Brady has a wide open Moss and a wide open Ben Watson (almost never happens but somehow he's "elite"
If Romo has a wide open TO or a wide open Witten, he goes to Witten every time.
That's why the Colts and Patriots are elite and the Cowboys are a joke.
Unless he's running the wrong route or not even looking for the pass and Romo throws it to him anyway, in which case they get their pants pulled down by the Steelers.
Yah, Witten has one ed up game. He rarely does that, and has played injured for 50% of the season. Most players wouldn't have played with the broken rib, especially someone who blocks as much as he does.
when explosive offenses are at their best every player on the field is a threat. That's what makes them explosive. When the Cowboys were at their best you never knew who was going to kill you.
When the Cowboys were at their best Jay Novacek was never a focal point of the offense and Troy never used him as a crutch. Novacek was never viewed as the most dangerous receiver on the field - that was obviously Irvin (or occasionally Harper). The Troy/Novacek relationship is the perfect example of how a tight end should be viewed in an offense. Not the abomination of Romo/Witten.
While I wouldn't agree with trading Witten, I think his talent as a receiver gets Garrett too creative. There were a million times over the course of the season when Romo needed a TE to dump off to, but Witten was sent running a route 15 yards down the field.
The problem with the offense was that it was either the big play, or nothing at all. When you're in the shotgun, or taking 5-step drops, while waiting for 4 pass options to get open 15+ yards down the field, the O-line is not going to be able to protect forever, the play is going to break down, and you have no one to throw the ball to. Garrett tries to be too creative, instead of taking what the defense gives you. With all the pressure Philly and Baltimore were bringing the last two weeks, I can't think of one screen or draw they ran to counter the blitz, and make them think twice about sending everyone. For lack of a better word, the offense needs to be "dumbed down" a couple of notches.
Romo is a good QB. I've watched him make too many good plays to think he's not capable of being a great QB. But, I've also watched him make bad plays because his options are limited in terms of reads he can make. It's either Witten 12 yards down field, Crayton 18 yards down field, Owens 25 yards down field, or Roy Williams half-assing a route.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with 5 yards a play...but for Garrett it has to come 15 yards at a time, or not at all.
Fine any player that talks to the press. Waive any player that complains or better yet trade them to Detroit. Let them all know that they have been giving the best treatment,most freedom of any team in the league and remind them all the experts picked the to win the Super Bowl and thet finished 9-7 and were embarassed the last two games. Come to play next year or you are gone. A few casualities will set the rest of the team straight. No TV show on HBO or any channel next year.
Jones needs to LOWER the ticket cost by 75 % easily because they are not worth the paper u print the tickets on. The balls of this guy thinking anyone is going to spend the ridiculous prices this head is charging to see any NFL team let alone this one he has put on the feild the past 13 years.
gonna play devil's advocate here. what if romo just isn't making the proper reads? the boys usually get pretty damn good yardage on RB dumpoffs, esp with barber, and recently choice. but if he's not making the right reads because he's either catering to TO or staring witten down the whole play, it still comes down to bad coaching.
There's some truth in that too. Romo does not always make the right reads. He tries too hard to force the ball to T.O. and Witten. Remember, he's coached (primarily) by Garrett, who digs the long ball. So, it's not that unusual that Romo digs the long ball too. Remember, this is only his second full season as a starter, and he's only 28. He's got a lot of room to grow, and it would be good of Jerry to provide him with a coach who can help him do that.
The thing with Witten is he's not even really a tight end the way they use him in Dallas. He was their No. 1 WR option for most of the year, and when you have Terrell Owens and the good Roy Williams on your team along with other guys that are capable of making plays for you, and your first, second and third read is always Witten, that's a problem. They need to use him like the Colts use Dallas Clark. Clark is money for an 850 yard, 7 TD season and I'd bet on that any day of the year, but Clark is a great blocker and isn't running a route on 80% of offensive snaps like Witten is. Stop treating Witten as a receiver when you have two No. 1 receivers lining up left and right.
Make opposing quarterbacks wear a sandwich board that says "the Cowboys have no heart", especially in really big crucial games. Seems like the only way to get anyone mad.
Other then Witten the rest of the receivers are just sub-par. And even if we had the best receivers in the league. Romo's arm is to weak. He can chunck the ball up their and hope to get a receiver on the run. But as for slants or 10 yard curls, he doesnt have the zip needed. Thats why he's alway throwing deep. Romo is a backup with the current system the boys have. For Romo to succeed, the Boys would need 2 1000 yard runners. Unless they bring in a big running back and bring Marion and Felix off the bench, Romo isnt taking this team anywhere soon. And until they get an offensive line to block for those running backs this team will not go far in December.
With the exception of trading Witten, I like Mono's ideas. I would also add re-vamping the offensive line. Spend some free-agent money on some lineman.
The sad thing is that this team has talent. Its not a situation where you have less talented players getting out-manned. There is an inherent lack of discipline that starts at the head coach and filters down. It doesn't matter how good your team is, if there is no discipline or attention to detail, you won't win a championship. I don't agree with what Bradie James did but at least he seemed to care about what happened. He seemed to be the only one. Jerry Jones needs to do some soul searching because he is opening a brand new stadium and needs a good product to keep it filled and right now, he doesn't have it.
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