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Tim Duncan has more to do with than Parker. Last night was a prime example of when Tim isn't being doubled, how much harder it is for the Spurs three point shooters to get good looks.
do you yell also when our 3 pts shooters are TOTALLY OPEN to take them, making us the best 3 pts team, or can't you understand the link with Parker's penetration's game ?
Tim Duncan has more to do with than Parker. Last night was a prime example of when Tim isn't being doubled, how much harder it is for the Spurs three point shooters to get good looks.
it was HORRENDOUS for the Spurs. it probably got Duncan so pissed that he had to say somethin'
-Mars
Oh I missed the day in basketball camp when us shorter players were taught to challenge 3 big men in the paint. Tony's penetration game does not depend upon him taking shots against much taller defenders.
I agree with you, but I disagree with this statement. Phil Jackson calls out the refs all the time and so does Shaq. Timmy usually does not complain to the media, so when he does complain; you can take it to the bank that it was BAD officiating. Maybe he can start going to the line like say Wade. What does Wade average? 15-20 freethrow attempts a game? That would be great for Timmy. Hope springs eternal I know.
Do you posters who are questioning Parker or dissatisfied with his play think he should be moved in a trade, and if so, who exactly do you think the Spurs can get that will be better?
It doesn't seem a fair criticism to me to question the fact that Parker takes the most shots on the team when his coach instructs him to shoot the ball aggressively. That he misses shots doesn't make those shots bad ones, either.
Frankly, I just don't get most of the Parker criticism. Without Parker, this team has little-to-no chance to even dream of a le. It's not feasible to think that the Spurs would be able to get a truly better player for Parker in a deal and, frankly, there aren't many guys who play that position who ARE better than Parker in all aspects of the game.
Do you really think that reigning in Parker's aggressiveness or asking him to change as a player will work?
To add to your post:
Parker had an awesome game up until the last two shots, not to mention the fcat he has been carrying the team (together with TD) for a while.
Some people just can't get over the hate . . .
Parker missed a quick tear drop, that is true. To say it was a bad shot is not however. The clock is your enemy at this point, and you needed a quick score. Parker had the look. A different angle than normal for sure, but a look is a look.
The layup was tired legs plain and simple. So the guy misses two free throws at the end. That should be canceled out by the Sixers game and the countless others where he's drained big mid range jumpers to keep the opponent at bay in crunch time.
Parker is not a pass first PG because he's not asked to be. Parker is the PG, but Duncan is the QB of the offense. That's by Pop's design.
So it's unfair to critique a player?
Myself, I disagree. Just because many do it out of spite, the actuality is, he missed a gimme and then immediately afterward, took a tough contested teardrop in a similar situation and looked just as foolish. The two shot attempts, in relation to the clock situation, were what we wanted - but he botched them both, and badly. Additionally, the second attempt was a chemistry killer IMO. You don't miss a layup then run back and throw THAT up. This is besides the fact Nelson owned him during the stretch run.
The fact he's had a very good season, and our championship hopes rest more on his sholders than ever, should only be more reason he gets criticized when making mistakes like at the end of last night's contest.
Last edited by z0sa; 01-12-2009 at 11:50 PM.
those were not mistakes
pop wanted him to shot them
unfortunally they did not go on
but he drove and was aggressive
had he should jumpshots he would been blasted but he attacked and gets blasted
unreal
if any other spur players missed those shots it would have been ok but not tp
Pop can't put the ball in the basket for him
You know what that equals? Two mistakes.
no it would have been a mistake had he not shot the shots when that closePop can't put the ball in the basket for him
You know what that equals? Two mistakes.
and pulled out and tried to pass it to someone else and the other person not looking for the pass thinking he would shot it
one could say he was the best player last nightPop can't put the ball in the basket for him
You know what that equals? Two mistakes.
"What have you done for me lately?" pretty much sums up why games don't get 'cancelled' out because you want them to. A player who did great last game but cost us the victory this one does not get a free pass.
so tp was to blame for the spur three point shooters missing
tp shot 50% from downtown
He disappeared in the 4th quarter, on both ends. Tired legs on 3 days of rest at home is no excuse.
You make me into a Tony Basher. The reality is, through 3 quarters I was impressed with his play. But the game lasts 4 quarters.
So you don't really have a quarrel with his shot selection except that he missed?
Tony Parker won't be capable of taking this team where it can go because he's not perfect?
Again, if you don't question his shot selection ("The two shot attempts, in relation to the clock situation, were what we wanted - but he botched them both, and badly.") then what exactly is the complaint?
I agree that fair criticism can be warranted, but I think most of the criticism leveled against Parker on this board is basically unfair. Parker's not perfect; no player is. Michael Jordan missed gimmes in crunch time, too, but nobody criticized him for that in the guise of arguing that his shot selection was poor. There are things to complain about with every player on this team, but Tony Parker's shot selection, particularly in light of his shooting percentage, strikes me as a pretty fine nit to pick.
It is good to know that the main complaint against Tony Parker around here is that he's just not perfect.
the problem was no one was hitting outside shots to make it easier for tp and duncan
tp carried the team tell the 4 quarter
pop sat duncan to long
tp was not perfect but he was far from the reason spurs lost
pop should play hill,tp, manu, mason more at one time
all 4 could create
duncan was far from perfect against magic
I think it's out of the desire for a PG in the traditional sense.
WARNING: COMPARISON UPCOMING
Take a look at Chris Paul. He's more of a traditional PG. But he still is shooting 49%. He averages only .9 less points/game than Tony but averages 4.6 more assists. Amazingly he takes 3 less shots per game. Yes he has averaged 4 more minutes per game but those assist numbers are what you really want out of a true PG. Will Tony ever be capable of those type numbers? Maybe. Is it silly to hope for them? Definitely. I've been criticized for saying Tony's shot selection has been subpar but imagine if he could take 3 less shots, average about the same points/game and have just 2 or 3 more assists per game.
gee lets trade and see if paul has all those assist
when duncan and manu get assist on these spurs team
and lets not change the o
humm paul looses atleast 4 assist a game
and hten looses 2 a game with not having chandler and his dunking ofr those alleyoops
haha ducks never disappoints. Conveniently you left out the 3 less shot attempts and only 0.9 less points/game. This is why I put a warning in there. Comparisons always leave people with sandy vaginas.
I liked the first layup attempt, exactly what we needed, then he missed sickeningly short. He failed hugely and deserves any criticism he gets for that shot.
The second shot, that erratic high arcing tear drop from that weird angle - just a tough, essentially contested shot and just really was a force on all levels.
Again, is it unfair to critique a player?
I didn't question what the last two shots were, ever. The first attempt was a botch, plain and simple, and he deserves any criticism he gets for missing a point blank uncontested layin with time ticking and the Spurs in a hole. The second attempt was bad shot selection, and he should have kept dribbling to look for a better shot. That simple.Again, if you don't question his shot selection ("The two shot attempts, in relation to the clock situation, were what we wanted - but he botched them both, and badly.") then what exactly is the complaint?
What exactly is the complaint besides those two? His fourth quarter D. His inability to make plays down the stretch. Those two shots were the culmination of a bad fourth quarter.
I regard you as a knowledgeable, level headed poster - you understand the difference between Tony bashing and my criticism. He missed a wide open layup in a desperate situation. Surely you can understand a fellow level headed spurfan to be frustrated with that, at least?I agree that fair criticism can be warranted, but I think most of the criticism leveled against Parker on this board is basically unfair.
I have been explicit in my previous posts. They answer the reason I chose a fine "nit" to pick.Parker's not perfect; no player is. Michael Jordan missed gimmes in crunch time, too, but nobody criticized him for that in the guise of arguing that his shot selection was poor. There are things to complain about with every player on this team, but Tony Parker's shot selection, particularly in light of his shooting percentage, strikes me as a pretty fine nit to pick.
pop is forcing to shot that shots
manu is not as good anymore
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