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Easjer, since you seem to know your stuff, how different do the patch and nuva ring effect the cycle? Do they still work the same way as the pill? I've always wondered, just never asked
heard of natural family planning?
Easjer, since you seem to know your stuff, how different do the patch and nuva ring effect the cycle? Do they still work the same way as the pill? I've always wondered, just never asked
I'm not easjer, but because the patch and Nuva Ring are both hormonal birth control (just in different vehicles), it should work similarly to the pill. They are typically lower dosage, though, so it's not a great option if you require something with a middle- to higher-range hormone level. I've been on HBC since I was 16 because my cycles were so bad I was anemic, and every time I've tried something with a lower dosage I've had issues - so my doctors over the years ruled the patch and ring out for me.Easjer, since you seem to know your stuff, how different do the patch and nuva ring effect the cycle? Do they still work the same way as the pill? I've always wondered, just never asked
ok
so all I read was
Woman 1 : blah blah myth is false
easjer : omg wtf u r an idiot! you can't get pregnant. i ovulate on x day, menstrual cycle relies on x, but you cant get pregnant!!
easjer, you need to work on your debate skills. you provided no facts and your whole post amounted to "ur wrong cuz i say so"
Just because a woman isn't ovulating doesn't mean there isn't an egg, and the cycle lengths and early/late possibilities overlap. There are a dozen articles, including a study by the US National Ins ute of Health that confirm what the article says.
The scary part is that now people are asking you questions like you're an expert.
I wonder how long can sperm survive in someones ass, RuffNReady? Buddy Holly?
Do you know what ovulation is? It is the release of an ovum from the follicle in the ovary.
Ovulation can occur at any point in a woman's cycle (particularly if you base 'a woman's cycle' on the arbitrary and wholly inaccurate myth of 28 days, with ovulation on cd 14 and a 14 day luteal phase). Ovulation does not occur if an egg is not released, as that is what ovulation is (the release of the ovum from the ovary). End of story.
Is it possible to lead up to ovulation and not release an egg? Yes. Is it possible for an egg to release without ovulating? No. Can ovulation occur spontaneously? Yes - and to that extent the article is correct. Ovulation can occur on cd 9, it can occur on cd 32. It can occur during breakthrough bleedig during an anovulatory cycle, that without charting cycles would be considered a period. If you have unprotected intercourse during that time, then pregnancy is distinctly possible.
My issue with the article is her perpetuation of the 28 day cycle myth and her poor choice of words. If the woman is not ovulating, there is no egg and hence no pregnancy. I assure you of the truth of that statement - ask any woman on Clomid, on FSH or Follistim or taking a trigger shot. If they do not ovulate - release an egg - there is no potential for pregnancy in that cycle. Any RE will tell you the same thing, which is why figuring out whether or not a woman is ovulating is so important to the treatment path for infertility. Rather than claim that a woman can get pregnant when she is not ovulating, which is patently false, she should accurately state that ovulation can occur at various points in a cycle and simply avoiding unprotected sex on cd 14 is not good enough if you wish to avoid pregnancy.
But you can't get pregnant if there is no ovulation - unless you are involved in assisted reproduction, in which case there is something similar, called an egg retrieval.
As for my sources - you are welcome to start here: Taking Charge of Your Fertility by Toni Weschler. There is a handy appendix in the back citing her sources and various studies, many of which I have read.
An expert? No, and I don't claim to be. But I know a whole of a lot about reproduction, particularly as it relates to women's health. Women's health is something of a hobby of mine, particularly reproduction. And there is nothing inaccurate in what I've said, rather it's pretty much common sense - always use protection if you don't want a child. Period.
Ginofan - Jekka nailed it. The ring and the patch are lower-dose. You should discuss that with your doctor, particularly if you are overweight at all (being overweight can lower the efficacy of hormonal birth control). If your doc has no concerns, you should be fine - but use back-up protection, at least until your body has adjusted to the change in hormones.
Last edited by easjer; 01-19-2009 at 03:00 PM.
Here is an excellent resource for beginning to understand ovulation:
http://www.americanpregnancy.org/get...ovulation.html
And another, FAQ of questions about ovulation:
http://www.americanpregnancy.org/get...ulationfaq.htm
Both from the American Pregnancy Association, if you are not inclined to take my word for how the menstrual cycle works.
It's more than that, as it also includes the walls of the uterus thickening to accept a fertilized egg, but yes.
You said this:
As you've mentioned, any number of things can happen during a cycle. For instance, two eggs can drop from the previous cycle's ovulation, and one of those can be fertilized at virtually any point, even if ovulation is not occurring, so for any fertile woman to EVER assume that there is "no egg" is foolish.If there is no egg, there is no possibility of pregnancy
So to summarize, here is the following statement by you:
Here's the myth from the article:it's not actually possible to get pregnant without having sex near ovulation
So basically, your statement is EXACTLY the type of thing that the article was trying to debunk, because you can't really know for sure when you're "ovulating" and you don't know for sure whether there's an egg in there. What's funny is that you seem to understand this, but you still make the same stupid statements.You Can't Get Pregnant if You Aren't Ovulating
You might try not to allow your reading comprehension problems to lead you to making absurd statements on a public forum, if for no other reason than not to give someone a false sense of security.
Thanks (and to Jekka too). I'm not thinking of getting on either one, just curious. My co-worker had a lot of problems with the patch including hair loss and weight gain, and I have heard that it's a lot more probable to get pregnant while you are using the ring.
Not to turn this into another religion debate, but if you are using any barrier methods of BC, you are in opposition to the teaching of the Catholic Church.
Then your personality is going to .
OK- I was simply pointing out that what she had written was untrue. Whether she or anyone else cares about following the practices of the Church is their business, but the statement of hers that I quoted was indeed false and spreads misinformation.
We are not Catholic. I was trying to point out the differences in FAM and NFP, ie, barrier methods allowed during the fertile period.
No, that is part of the ovulatory cycle, but it is not ovulation. Ovulation is the act of the egg departing from the ovary. Period.
Er, no, actually that isn't true. Yes, 2 or more eggs can be released within the same fertile window, but that is within a specific time frame. The period of ovulation only happens once during the menstrual cycle.
Additionally, eggs only live for 12-24 hours.
So, at most, you have the chance for pregnancy at a specific point in the cycle - when ovulation occurs. If you would like to be technical, you can use FAM rules to say the following - because sperm can live in fertile quality cervical fluid, any act of sexual intercourse during the fertile time preceeding ovulation and for about 24 hours after ovulation occurs can result in pregnancy.
Eggs have a very short lifespan. They don't hang out for days waiting for the sperm to show up. So, no, actually your statement that two eggs can drop and be fertilized at any point is biologically inaccurate.
Actually, there are a plethora of ways in which you can know whether you are fertile or ovulating. Most of the population doesn't use them, which is why I said that one should always use birth control if one does not wish to acheive pregnancy.
I said, more than once, that the intent of the article was correct in that a woman can ovulate at any point in a cycle. However, the myth itself is incorrect - without ovulation, there is no potential for pregnancy. This is basic biology. Seriously, what don't you get about that? The article's implication that women ovulate on cd 14 is based on a myth. Some women do, but most don't. To say that she can get pregnant when she is not ovulating is false. I take issue with the article's presentation of the facts. Had the article said that pregnancy is potentially possible at any point because ovulation is potentially possible at any point, we would not be having this discussion.
Did you look at the links I provided? They say the same things I've said. It's not about reading comprehension - it's about factual representation, which the article was lacking.
Rarely, RARELY do I actually "laugh out loud".
This....this has succeeded.
That's not at all what the article says. It's only two sentences; you'd think you could grasp it. The first two lines are the myth, which is the oversimplified incorrect statement, and everything after the word "fact" seems to be true. The worst part is that you are guilty of repeating the original myth almost verbatim. It's amazing how you seem to have a lot of correct information that leads you to a dizzyingly incorrect conclusion.
At least you got the thread le correct.
First, NONE of my information is incorrect. You, on the other hand seem to have a distinct misunderstanding of biology.
You are utterly ridiculous.
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