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    http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_ar...is_team_a_lot/

    I wonder how Donnie & Cuban feel about Carlisle saying "like" instead of "love". Maybe he didn't get that memo.

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    Mavs made some good trades on Don Nelsons watch. Those days are over.The Kidd trade pretty much ties the Mavs hands for a while. Terry is keeping the Mavs in the hunt for a playoff birth. What can you get for him? I don't think anyone will give you what he is worth giving his age and the fact teams will hold out seeing what the Nets did to the Mavs.

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    Two starters for two subs and a nutcase?

    edit: well I guess technically Rip isn't a "starter" anymore but don't like that deal at all for the Pistons.

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    Two starters for two subs and a nutcase?

    edit: well I guess technically Rip isn't a "starter" anymore but don't like that deal at all for the Pistons.
    HAHA The Pistons would all over each others faces for that trade.

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    Are things this bad?

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    HAHA The Pistons would all over each others faces for that trade.
    What are you talking about?

    No one wants Josh Howard. Rip does all the things Jason Terry does except is 5 inches taller. Pllus Terry has pretty much the same contract while being a true back-up combo guard instead of a legit starting 2-guard that Rip is. And, Brandon Bass brings nothing Maxiell doesn't already as an undersized power forward.

    That's ridiculous to think the Pistons would love that trade.

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    JET is the only tradable Mav right now.

    Dirk is untouchable, and nobody else wants a bag such as Howard, even though he is very talented
    i would love that bag josh howard

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    Are things this bad?
    Are things that good?

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    Terry's value is at the highest it ever will be. If Mavs can get a nice young player for him (to a team that may need someone like Terry right now to contend), then you do it.

    This trade though, would be a glaring "this season is a waste" admission from the FO, which will never happen under the delusions of Mark and Donnie.

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    What are you talking about?

    No one wants Josh Howard. Rip does all the things Jason Terry does except is 5 inches taller. Pllus Terry has pretty much the same contract while being a true back-up combo guard instead of a legit starting 2-guard that Rip is. And, Brandon Bass brings nothing Maxiell doesn't already as an undersized power forward.

    That's ridiculous to think the Pistons would love that trade.
    I consider Rip and Terry almost the same player with one exception, Terry is used to coming off the bench and Rip does not want to come off the bench. Then throw in the fact Rip has not helped the Pistons to that Championship level in years maybe the new blood would help. Terry is having a great season coming off the bench. Bass can be good and he is playing for a contract. Josh Howard. As much as I think this guy is a bag a new scene might do this guy some good. If a team like the Pistons are not giving anything up for him I would be wetting my pants thinking I could get him back to his old form. What are you giving up for this? Nothing.

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    I dont wanna sound like a blind optimist, but we're "only" 3.5 games outta 2nd in the west :P... I doubt we can close that gap in the final half of the season w/ the current roster, but I think we potentially could depending on what Howard yields. So, I wouldn't say the season is lost JUST yet. As far as winning a le perhaps its lost, but meh. MEH

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    I dont wanna sound like a blind optimist, but we're "only" 3.5 games outta 2nd in the west :P... I doubt we can close that gap in the final half of the season w/ the current roster, but I think we potentially could depending on what Howard yields. So, I wouldn't say the season is lost JUST yet. As far as winning a le perhaps its lost, but meh. MEH

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    I'm with you on that. The Mavs can make the playoffs and any team but the Lakers maybe Hornets would be hating life catching them in first round. Who knows, the Mavs coach is still adjusting the bench, maybe he can find that right recipe.

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    I consider Rip and Terry almost the same player with one exception, Terry is used to coming off the bench and Rip does not want to come off the bench. Then throw in the fact Rip has not helped the Pistons to that Championship level in years maybe the new blood would help. Terry is having a great season coming off the bench. Bass can be good and he is playing for a contract. Josh Howard. As much as I think this guy is a bag a new scene might do this guy some good. If a team like the Pistons are not giving anything up for him I would be wetting my pants thinking I could get him back to his old form. What are you giving up for this? Nothing.
    One exception being Terry is used to coming off the bench?

    So ignore the five inch difference? Ignore the fact that Rip is able to guard shooting guards and even some small forwards but Terry can only guard point guards? Ignore the fact that Rip has been the focal point offensively on a championship team? But, Terry being used to coming off the bench is the only difference? Yeah right.

    What the are you smoking?

    Change of scenery might do Josh Howard some good. I don't want it to be in Detroit. He's a very talented player. I don't deny that. But, everything from the weed to the stupid about the flag to his fourth quarter Houdini acts makes him the ultimate opposite of appealing. And, how will Josh Howard like coming off the bench? Yeah right. Don't want him. Take his talent and give him Shane Battier's brain, I'll take him. Otherwise, I don't want him on a team I follow.

    So a multiple all star and a starting 2-guard on a championship team who was the focal point of the offense is nothing? You're insane. I'd be willing to give up Rip and Amir in the right deal. A package of Jason Terry and Josh Howard is not the right deal. Not bad players. But, no thanks.

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    I dont wanna sound like a blind optimist, but we're "only" 3.5 games outta 2nd in the west :P... I doubt we can close that gap in the final half of the season w/ the current roster, but I think we potentially could depending on what Howard yields. So, I wouldn't say the season is lost JUST yet. As far as winning a le perhaps its lost, but meh. MEH

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    Yeah yeah we'd all like to get some all-star for the team re , but tell me which team is going to give us some impact player in return and if Donnie and Mark have the ability to pull it off.

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    One exception being Terry is used to coming off the bench?

    So ignore the five inch difference? Ignore the fact that Rip is able to guard shooting guards and even some small forwards but Terry can only guard point guards? Ignore the fact that Rip has been the focal point offensively on a championship team? But, Terry being used to coming off the bench is the only difference? Yeah right.

    What the are you smoking?

    Change of scenery might do Josh Howard some good. I don't want it to be in Detroit. He's a very talented player. I don't deny that. But, everything from the weed to the stupid about the flag to his fourth quarter Houdini acts makes him the ultimate opposite of appealing. And, how will Josh Howard like coming off the bench? Yeah right. Don't want him. Take his talent and give him Shane Battier's brain, I'll take him. Otherwise, I don't want him on a team I follow.

    So a multiple all star and a starting 2-guard on a championship team who was the focal point of the offense is nothing? You're insane. I'd be willing to give up Rip and Amir in the right deal. A package of Jason Terry and Josh Howard is not the right deal. Not bad players. But, no thanks.
    Calm down. Just a opinion. I think I am 100 percent right. I could careless about the 5 inches Hamilton has on Terry. Terry produces in the NBA just like Rip. I'm not smoking anything, you got any?

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    So five inches is not a difference eh?

    Guess Glen Davis is basically Shaquille O'Neal and Andre Iguodala could fill in for Kevin Garnett.

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    Rip is a better player overall than Terry, maybe not this season.

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    So five inches is not a difference eh?

    Guess Glen Davis is basically Shaquille O'Neal and Andre Iguodala could fill in for Kevin Garnett.

    Chris Paul does a pretty good Jason Kidd impersonation.

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    Yeah yeah we'd all like to get some all-star for the team re , but tell me which team is going to give us some impact player in return and if Donnie and Mark have the ability to pull it off.
    I dunno , I hope the front office does

    Mike Miller would be ideal. Not an All-Star, but definitely could be a contributor.

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    So five inches is not a difference eh?

    Guess Glen Davis is basically Shaquille O'Neal and Andre Iguodala could fill in for Kevin Garnett.
    I'm not comparing Glen Davis to Shaq Daddy! Or AI to KG. I am comparing Rip to Terry and again I think you have the same player. Infact I even think Terry is a little bit better at this stage of there careers.

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    Didn't disagree that they are "similar" players. I won't even blast you for thinking Terry is better, even though I would probably disagree. But, I do vehemently disagree with your contention that basically the only difference between the two is that Terry is used to coming off the bench.

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    Trading JET is actually a pretty good idea. At 31, he's not going to get any better and will start getting worse pretty soon. It's a good time to sell high on him ... especially if the Mavs feel that their current team needs a shakeup.

    What about JET in a deal involving Rip Hamilton? Hamilton is coming off the bench now but JET would fit much better in that role. He'd give the Pistons a guy who can both run the show and play next to either Stuckey or AI.

    For the Mavs, Hamilton fits at the starting shooting guard spot and gives the team a second player they can run the offense through. Plus considering that Carlisle coached Reggie Miller, I'm sure he could figure out how to draw up similar type plays for Hamilton. He also has a type of Kerry Kittles type game, which complemented Kidd very well with the Nets.

    Obviously it wouldn't help the Mavs in rebuilding but it'd give them a chance to try to salvage this season and next season at least.
    Duncan is over 31 too, so he is also expected to start getting worse pretty soon. It's a good time to sell high on TD. TD feel more comfortable at C than PF and the mavs just lack a good center who is dominant and experienced, and the spurs need some athletism for their squad so J Howard should be preferable to the spurs. How about J howard and Dampire for TD?

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    The Mavs shouldn't trade JET.
    If we trade Jet who the ELSE is gonna score the ball? It's bad enough that we only have 2 reliable scorers.

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    I didn't know he was gonna suck this bad this year!

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