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Are you an idiot on purpose? Read a history book.
So what?
They'll close Guantanamo, only to secretly open a similar place
Are you an idiot on purpose? Read a history book.
I couldn't care less what the Whottts, Crookshanks, and WildCobras of the forum feel on the subject. They're all in meltdown mode because they don't like whats happening and thats fine. I have no intrest in trying to change that.
I - along with the vast majority of Americans who have seen where the policies of the previous 8 years have sown and reeped - agree this is the nessecary course of action and thats pretty much all that matters.
Completely true and no...no one should be surprised. CS can cry wolf all she likes, it doesnt change the fact that a majority of electorate disagreed with her vehemently.
So, she can have her soapbox, as I'll have mine. I have always thought the War on Terror was comlpete and utter bull . Any action that undermines our involvement in the global theater of terrorism is fine with me.
They knocked two buildings down. Its a tragedy, it should be remembered and we should better prepare in the future. But gtfo over it. New York has, why havent you (none of this is directed at you, JS)?
But invading other countries and locking up people without trial in offshore prisons is a perversion of our principles. Having prisons is a-ok...not putting these people on trial and living with the results is deplorable.
Now instead of 9/11 being the galvenizing factor in our foreign wars, its the blood of our soldiers used to rally others to the cause and further entrench the believers. Its a sadistic twist on reality, IMO.
It isnt the first time, nor the last, that a government has used its own loss as a force of will upon its people. I am just glad to see a majority of the electorate isnt so easily swayed by the liberal-media that trumpeted the coming victory of the American War Machine.
If the electorate was ignorant and is still ignorant to the travesty of this escapade? That it took a cult of personality like Obama to sway the masses to the side of rationalism?
So ing be it. I'll rob Peter to pay Paul and pay for a hamburger today on Tuesday.
CrookShanks is a woman?!?!? hahaha all this time I've been using the "sand in your vagina" joke on guys when she was the case study!
they can't see that they are becoming what they're fighting against.
Yes, she is a woman. I am quite sure she is probably a pleasant person in real life with a nice hubby and wonderful family.
I just think her political views are so narrow-minded, you could change her avatar with any other board warhawk and I wouldnt be able to tell the context difference. And that is my only reason for writing this.
Yet these are the same people who claim individuality and unique thought. There is nothing unique about conformity, no matter how much it appeals to your peers to do so.
Am I the only person who's thoroughly unimpressed by your picture of Obama getting a rebound? All those guys are just standing there.So what?
They'll close Guantanamo, only to secretly open a similar place
Look in the mirror and recite that. It'll eventually turn on a light bulb.
And the obvious answer is to just ship them over to Canada.
Yeah,, but watch the Brian Gumble Real Sports piece - dude has game.
God Bless America
We all know there's a HUGE difference between the philosophies and ideals of liberals and conservatives. You libs have been moaning, ing and screaming for the past 8 years - now it's the conservatives' time.
You libs hail this as a wonderful change and see Obama as the answer to all the world's ills. We conservatives see this as probably the worst thing that could happen to our beloved country - so only time will tell who was right.
I think the libs suffer from a mental disorder - you think I'm narrow-minded and stupid. So I guess we're even. But I won't back down and I won't apologize for my beliefs. I just wish you guys wouldn't be so mean, hateful and profane in your responses to and about me. Can't we have civil discourse without the obscenities and profanities? I find it very offensive - and it lowers my opinion of you even further.
What Obama should have done was issue an executive order to compel the immediate capture and internment of every Muslim in the United States and abroad. They aren't innocent in threatening terrorism; we just don't have enough evidence yet to prove that they're threatening domestic security.
Frankly, I'm glad to see that we have a President who doesn't see the Cons ution as a meddling impediment. If winning the war on terror means that we stray from bedrock cons utional guarantees, I think we've basically capitulated to the enemy. Patrick Henry was a smart man, in my book and I'm glad that Barack Obama sees Patrick Henry's wisdom, too.
Well, instead of running everyone into the same ditch, you could pick out people to talk to individually. Have you considered that, CS?
I don't understand why you hate America.
I'm not sure it could get much worse than it is now. In case you didn't notice our economy is in the ter, we're in two wars that might go on for years, and the rest of the world absolutely hates us.You libs hail this as a wonderful change and see Obama as the answer to all the world's ills. We conservatives see this as probably the worst thing that could happen to our beloved country - so only time will tell who was right.
YeahI think the libs suffer from a mental disorder - you think I'm narrow-minded and stupid.
yeah but the difference is we're right about youSo I guess we're even.
How about opening your mind enough to possibly question them?But I won't back down and I won't apologize for my beliefs.
My apologies. I'll save my profanity for guys like whottt and WC.I just wish you guys wouldn't be so mean, hateful and profane in your responses to and about me.
Can't we have civil discourse without the obscenities and profanities?
Last time, I promise.
I suspect most of the people who post here and support Obama are not that naive.
Granted, Obama's political record is relatively thin compared to a lot of people on the Hill, but so far he appears to be an intelligent and highly competent president who wants to bring accountability and transparency to the WH. Can you blame people for being optimistic?
so where exactly is Obama going to put these guys? isn't KSM in there? if their native country doesn't want them they're dumped here. i don't see this accomplishing anything except to pacify the obamaniacs.
Are you actually under the impression that without Gitmo, there won't be any such camps anymore? Let me guess, when you think about torture, you only think waterboarding?
Neither are even close to representing reality, but are merely the faces shown to public, have them associate it together so as not to really pay attention to the bigger picture.
There surely are waaaaaaaaay more places that do what Gitmo does and much worse i'm sure, same with waterboarding representing torture when much worse things must and do go on.
This does not compute with people who view the world as a big stadium filled with people cheering for one team or the other. Conservatives good, Libs baad.
Ummm Yes.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/beh...nd-the-numbers
More importantly, Obama campaigned oh this and won.
I suspect that many of these guys are going to be prosecuted through already-existing channels and that the vast majority of them will rot away the rest of their lives in prisons.
Speculation is, here in the US. Whoever isn't repatriated or extradited first will get his day in court.
To conduce to more politically satisfying outcomes, the rules may need to be rejiggered to allow information from harsh interrogations to come in.
Glenn Greenwald is on top of this developing story like a dog on a bone.
I never called you stupid, but I would assume you werent speaking to me.
I said your views of the political world are narrow-minded. Its ok in some instances to be that way....politcal life = way of life, so being passionate and ingrained isnt always a bad thing.
But I find it odd that in this country that promises freedom and rights to any and all, that we should somehow ignore that promise in times of war? When that very issue has been expressly condemned by our forefathers, people smarter and more courageous than you or I or anyone you/I have ever met...in your/my life....period.
It doesnt make them right, but it certainly should at least get your attention long enough to consider the words long written down. When you ask for interpretation of our Consitution and where and when it should be applied, its intent and the sanc y, look no further than the people who wrote it.
Moreover, perpetual war is not an answer to terrorism. Terrorism is not a dog that can be beaten to submission. It is an idea. It isnt admirable or even worthy of conceptualizing...cmon, its deplorable thru and thru, we agree on that...but that doesnt make its existence as an idea any less of a threat.
Ghandi had an idea. MLK had an idea (and a dream!). You could starve an entire nation, put people in the firing lines, abuse your own citizens, hose down entire families and drag everyone thru the streets on a leash and you wouldnt even have scratched or harmed the "idea" they had, much less damage it.
Obviously, their cause was admirable and do NOT misconstrew what I am saying. I do not sympathize with terrorism...I only acknowledge that blunt instruments are no answer to defeating radicalism. They may be tools you use when necessary, but not as often and as chaotically as they have been in the recent past.
Terrorism/radicalism doesnt have borders or a flag. It cant be sought out and destroyed like a standing army. Its far more subtle than that and its high time we as a nation recognized that fact.
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As opposed to Bush, whose philosophy was out of sight, out of mind.Today Obama signed an executive order to close Gitmo within a year. He doesn't have a clue what to do with the terrorists detained there - but, by golly, in the interest of national security we're closing it anyway!
Maybe Pelosi and Reed can sponsor a terrorist or two and let them come live with them...
Easy for the Rush kool-aid drinkers to dismiss the philosophy of Obama, but what's their response when the greatest American to ever live, Ben Franklin, says it?
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