Officials: Obama to reverse abortion policy

[I Love Me Some Me]

This thread is an abortion.

[Duff McCartney]

What President Obama does is most certainly between him and Jesus.

That said, I will have to answer to God for whether or not I spoke out against wrongdoing or if I just stood silently by and let it happen.

I have no intention of doing the latter, in any cir stance.

Yes I'm sure you don't. I've never once heard you talk about Darfur or the crisis in Gaza, or the AIDS Epidemic in Africa. You speak out only against you care about...not about whether it's wrong or right and in confroms with your religious beliefs.

[angel_luv]

What makes you so special that you know whether other peoples' abortions are morally wrong on a meta-physical level? Enough so that you'd condemn them in this life so as to save your own skin when you have to "answer to God." I hope God gives you the slap of your life(?) when you die.

All babies are formed in their mother's womb by God.
Abortions end that life and are historically heart wrenching and physically hard on the women that have them.

I want my money to go to doing as CF suggested- educating woman in both career and home health matters and providing medical treatment and provisions so moms can properly care for their babies and be well themselves.

I know there are a lot of issues that need to be addressed. But abortion is not the answer.

[ratm1221]

That said, I will have to answer to God for whether or not I spoke out against wrongdoing or if I just stood silently by and let it happen.

Only god can judge, right? So you wouldn't have to answer to god for not judging someone and speaking out against it. Like all things religious, your beliefs conflict each other.

God doesn't do anything about abortions, death, genocide, disease, innocent children burning to death in their beds because their mother left her curling iron on... but he expects you to? How appropriate.

[ChumpDumper]

So besides this, what did Bush and the Republicans to to end abortion the six years they were in complete control of the government?

[angel_luv]

so if you did just stand silently by, would that mean you would be denied entrance into Heaven? or would your mansion be a little bit smaller?

It has to do with honoring God and standing up for what is right.

I love God and want to see His purpose fulfilled on the earth and abortion is not it.

God instructs us to defend the defenseless and unborn babies definitely fall into that category.
If God had not intervened on my behalf, I would have been aborted.
I know this for a fact because my birth mother told me the story of how God changed her mind.

[balli]

But abortion is not the answer.

That's more than debatable. I took an undergrad poli sci. class, almost the sole focus of which was abortion. It's a never ending debate with equally plausible arguments on both sides. Personal beliefs aside, that's how I look at it politically, and I despise the haughtiness of anyone, on either side, who would claim to have a lock on the only right answer. The implicit black and white nature of your response is delusional.

But I especially despise it when it's framed in terms of morally condemning other people's perceived sins, as to save your own skin on judgment day. Sickeningly arrogant and selfish way to look at an enormously complex issue.

[Shastafarian]

All babies are formed in their mother's womb by God.

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[MannyIsGod]

The story of Abraham and Isaac offers a simple but powerful example. According to the Bible, Abraham is ordered by God to offer up his "only son, Isaac, whom you love," as a burnt offering. Without argument, Abraham takes Isaac to the mountaintop, binds him to an altar, and raises his knife, prepared to act as God has commanded. Of course, we know the happy ending—God sends down an angel to intercede at the very last minute. Abraham has passed God's test of devotion. He becomes a model of fidelity to God, and his great faith is rewarded through future generations. And yet it is fair to say that if any of us saw a 21st century Abraham raising the knife on the roof of his apartment building, we would call the police; we would wrestle him down; even if we saw him lower the knife at the last minute, we would expect the Department of Children and Family Services to take Isaac away and charge Abraham with child abuse. We would do so because God doesn't reveal Himself or His angels to all of us in a single moment. We do not hear what Abraham hears, do not see what Abraham sees, true as those experiences may be. So the best we can do is act in accordance with those things that are possible for all of us to know, understanding that a part of what we know to be true—as individuals or communities of faith—will be true for us alone.

[balli]

The other thing that overshadows this whole debate is the bloodthirsty nature of republicans in general.

Sure, every human life is a miracle, formed in the womb by the hands of God himself, but apparently God makes exceptions for Arabs.

[angel_luv]

Exodus 1: 15-17; 20-21:

The king of Egypt said to the Hebrew midwives, whose names were Shiphrah and Puah, "When you help the Hebrew women in childbirth and observe them on the delivery stool, if it is a boy, kill him; but if it is a girl, let her live."
The midwives, however, feared God and did not do what the king of Egypt had told them to do; they let the boys live.
So God was kind to the midwives and the people increased and became even more numerous.
And because the midwives feared God, he gave them families of their own.

[MannyIsGod]

Context?

[angel_luv]

The other thing that overshadows this whole debate is the bloodthirsty nature of republicans in general.

Sure, every human life is a miracle, formed in the womb by the hands of God himself, but apparently God makes exceptions for Arabs.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090123/...as/as_pakistan

[Shastafarian]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090123/...as/as_pakistan

Those people like them some abortions. Ballijuana isn't commenting on them being hypocrites.

[balli]

Modern abortion and the catalysts for it, do not equate with an ancient imperial decree to murder slave's male babys which were already born. angel, you're a ing psycho.

[angel_luv]

Context?

1 These are the names of the sons of Israel who went to Egypt with Jacob, each with his family: 2 Reuben, Simeon, Levi and Judah; 3 Issachar, Zebulun and Benjamin; 4 Dan and Naphtali; Gad and Asher. 5 The descendants of Jacob numbered seventy [a] in all; Joseph was already in Egypt.
6 Now Joseph and all his brothers and all that generation died, 7 but the Israelites were fruitful and multiplied greatly and became exceedingly numerous, so that the land was filled with them.

8 Then a new king, who did not know about Joseph, came to power in Egypt. 9 "Look," he said to his people, "the Israelites have become much too numerous for us. 10 Come, we must deal shrewdly with them or they will become even more numerous and, if war breaks out, will join our enemies, fight against us and leave the country."

11 So they put slave masters over them to oppress them with forced labor, and they built Pithom and Rameses as store cities for Pharaoh. 12 But the more they were oppressed, the more they multiplied and spread; so the Egyptians came to dread the Israelites 13 and worked them ruthlessly. 14 They made their lives bitter with hard labor in brick and mortar and with all kinds of work in the fields; in all their hard labor the Egyptians used them ruthlessly.

15 The king of Egypt said to the Hebrew midwives, whose names were Shiphrah and Puah, 16 "When you help the Hebrew women in childbirth and observe them on the delivery stool, if it is a boy, kill him; but if it is a girl, let her live." 17 The midwives, however, feared God and did not do what the king of Egypt had told them to do; they let the boys live. 18 Then the king of Egypt summoned the midwives and asked them, "Why have you done this? Why have you let the boys live?"

19 The midwives answered Pharaoh, "Hebrew women are not like Egyptian women; they are vigorous and give birth before the midwives arrive."

20 So God was kind to the midwives and the people increased and became even more numerous. 21 And because the midwives feared God, he gave them families of their own.

22 Then Pharaoh gave this order to all his people: "Every boy that is born [b] you must throw into the Nile, but let every girl live."

[MannyIsGod]

Veronica, what would you do if you came across a modern day Abraham attempting to sacrifice his son?

[MannyIsGod]

I'm sorry, by context I was asking you to explain to me - in your words preferably - why you had posted that exert.

[angel_luv]

Abortion does not equate with an ancient imperial decree to murder slave's male babys which were already born. angel, you're .

You are the one who thinks you know better than God Almighty and you accuse me of being foolish.

That would be laughable were it not so sad.

[balli]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090123/...as/as_pakistan

Hey off with their ing heads. Like Shasta said though, I'm not the hypocrite who pretends human life or better, the potential for human life, is invaluably important.

You are the one who thinks you know better than God Almighty and you accuse me of being foolish.

That's ridiculous. My position is all about not knowing anything. I'm not the one claiming to know what is morally right or wrong so as to "answer to God." I don't know anything about God. And as arrogantly as you'd like to think so, you don't either.

[ratm1221]

Veronica, what would you do if you came across a modern day Abraham attempting to sacrifice his son?

[angel_luv]

I'm sorry, by context I was asking you to explain to me - in your words preferably - why you had posted that exert.

Oh my bad.

I am posting it because I was talking about the importance of honoring God in what I do, even if society is against me. And also to illustrate how obedience to God is rewarded, something I know from personal experience in my own life.

Those midwives are some of my favorite Biblical role models.

[ratm1221]

You are the one who thinks you know better than God Almighty and you accuse me of being foolish.

That would be laughable were it not so sad.

You are the arrogant one who speaks to god and knows what he is thinking. You will burn in a lake of fire for that blasphemy!

[MannyIsGod]

Its not a joke - there's a point to be made about the pride involved with thinking you understand God's plan enough to infer what someone else is doing is morally wrong.

[angel_luv]

Veronica, what would you do if you came across a modern day Abraham attempting to sacrifice his son?

I would assume that God had sent me as Angel to say, " Stop, do not harm him!"

But the angel of the LORD called out to him from heaven, "Abraham! Abraham!"
"Here I am," he replied.

"Do not lay a hand on the boy," he said. "Do not do anything to him. Now I know that you fear God, because you have not withheld from me your son, your only son."