Phoenix is bad

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

IMHO the style of ball Porter wants to play is 180 degrees opposite to these two players capabilities. Both would thrive in NY and with Nellie. Shaq can't play the style that Nash and Amare like to play with any consistency.

Nash = no D but is a wonderful open floor PG who struggles in a half court slow down type of game. He is one of the best passers in the game with a very good offensive game. When D'Antoni was there this team was one of the most exciting and entertaining teams I've seen in decades. I just loved to watch them run and gun.

Amare = low BBIQ and suspect D who needs a Nash type of PG to get him the ball on the move and with the proper spacing in order to operate. When that happens you see dunks galore along with open looks all night long. He has a great offensive game and is an unbelievalbe talent but like Nash struggles in the half court game.

This isn't a good match and something has got to give in Phoenix. Either can the half court stuff and run or trade one or both.

Nash brings the least due to age and reoccuring injuries...chronic back.. but the Suns might get something for him.

Amare would bring much more. I'm sure many a GM would take a chance on him. Many GMs over the years seem to have the opinion that "if this particular player played for me in my system he woudld turn around and be better". Doesn't always work but Amare's talent would probably blind many to his faults.

Dude needs to be in a run and gun atmosphere. Frankly what you see from him is what you are going to get from here on out. I really don't see him improving drastically - playing much better D with a higher BBIQ - at all.

Though watching him and Nash play 7 second ball is lots of fun.

The reason it's beyond their capabilities is because they never gave it a chance, don't even try on defense, and didn't work on becoming better half court players at all. Nash is more concerned with avenging D'antoni and his butt buddy Bell by sucking it up.

Jeff Van Gundy said it best a few months ago, he basically said it's a sad sign for Phoenix that their two longest tenured players are unwilling to get better in certain areas to help the suns get to the next level.

[MarHill]

Ok, first things first. I didn't say they weren't good wins. Any win is a good win. I'm thrilled we've won close games but we've won a lot of close games against sub par teams that we should be winning easily. So, to take a quote from Pop, some of these wins are Fool's Gold.

I see the regular season as nothing more than an extended pre-season to the playoffs. We play 82 games to get to our highest level. Utah had no Boozer and no Kirelenko. Sure, tough place to play, but we were supposed to win that game. Phoenix ? Like I said, they are bad. They don't have it together right now.

If we can beat New Orleans in our own house, decisively (8-10 pts)and play solid D, then I'll be happy. Right now, it's all about progressing and getting better.

Last night was more about Phoenix being bad than us being good, IMO. How do you intentionally foul Bruce Bowen with under a minute to go and not know that its a technical foul shot and the ball back ?

Also, what the was up with the hack a Bruce ? It came at an odd time and just didn't make sense. That's where I was going with this thread.

Well...I misunderstood you if you didn't write they were not good wins. Still Utah and Phoenix are not Oklahoma City and Memphis. They are teams in playoff contention and have plus .500 records.

Furthermore...the Spurs could have easily lost in Utah because they did have the second best home record in the West and people would have posted the Spurs were affected by losing to the Lakers and going overboard about the team sucking.

Also, the Suns admitted publicly in the local media last night's game was important and Doug Collins mentioned that several times during the broadcast. So the Spurs were going to get Phoenix's best shot and to win it was a good win for late January in the regular season.

Lastly, I believe fans really overrate point differential in the NBA regular season. I got into this discussion on another forum. But, I think it's an overrated stat. I would rather the Spurs play well and win close games than beat someone by 30.

Also, the 82 game season is a grind and bad teams can and will beat good teams during the regular season. The Bobcats beat the Lakers this week in overtime in LA. So it will happen more often than not.

Still, I think both wins were good wins and gives the Spurs confidence going into the RRT.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Amare = low BBIQ and suspect D who needs a Nash type of PG to get him the ball on the move and with the proper spacing in order to operate.

Smartest sentence on this thread. Amare isn't a franchise big man who can create his own shot, and to boot is a defensive liability. The Suns should trade him regardless of the route they take.

And another thing, the Suns have the 4th highest offensive rating in basketball. The problem here is DEFENSE, I know Porter is being criticized for the offensive struggles they're supposedly having. People are so used to seeing Final score Suns 110 opponent 102 that they think the offense was the problem when the final score is Suns 100 opponent 102.

If you're scoring 104 on the Spurs and losing, offense ain't the issue.

[vicphoenix13]

Portland is too smart to trade Oden or Lamarcus for Amare . They also wouldn't want Nash, all Nash is in normal offense is a glorified Steve Blake, whom they have.

Glorified Steve Blake? Seriously? Your just ranting now.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Glorified Steve Blake? Seriously? Your just ranting now.

The way Nash is playing this year he's not a whole lot better, look what happened in their last meeting:

Blake: 8 for 15, 22 points, 10 assists, 4 steals, 0 turnovers
Nash: 5 for 14, 15 points, 11 assists, 1 steal, 6 turnovers.

[50 cent]

Getting waxed at home by Chicago.

What a ty team.

[ducks]

nash 7 turnovers