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sounds like a good trade but cuban wont do luxury tax anymore. and bussard needs to learn how to speak. whats up with his style of speech
Bravo! That would be a great start! Firing the coach would be near the top as well.
sounds like a good trade but cuban wont do luxury tax anymore. and bussard needs to learn how to speak. whats up with his style of speech
Keep wavin those pom-poms! Don't give up on Dirk and Jet and the gang cuz they're so super awesome and the bestest ever!
The best way to win a championship is through smart scouting and signing quality role players. Not by keeping a bunch of 30-somethings around and surrounding them with D-Leaguers.
Once again, Mavs fans show their lack of any balls whatsoever. Everyone cries and cries and cries and cries and cries and cries and cries and cries and cries and cries and cries and cries and cries and cries and cries for a trade to happen, but when a trade idea that makes sense actually gets brought up, they all over it without a second thought. ing incredible.
Let's trade Dirk for Shaq! Shaq's got 4 rings and a championship pedigree. We've got to make a move for the sake of making a move.
Show me a trade that either sets up Dallas for a Kevin Pritchard style rebuild job, or makes us a powerhouse team again like Boston, and I'll sign on the dotted line. A trade that gets us a second-round exit as opposed to our guaranteed first-round exit is not something I'm interested in.
In other words you're taking the Cuban approach of "I'm waiting for a miracle to fall into my lap" rather than taking a risk and trying to make a move that helps.
The Mavs "took a risk" last year to get better and it ended up knocking them from really good to mediocre. This isn't even a real trade proposal, it's a guy writing an article.
Yeah they went from the 6 seed before the trade to the 7 seed afterwards. Huge dropoff. And they were a mediocre team before the trade anyways, they lost a 7 game series to a 42 win team. No possible way you could call them a "really good" team after that.
This team became elite because they tinkered with the roster constantly, finding things that worked, dumping things that didn't work. What the exactly is the point of staying status quo and praying for a miracle?
They were 35-17 when Devin got hurt. They were mediocre without him, before the Kidd trade and after. If Devin's fragility made him expendable, so be it, but that trade was dumb. 35-17 is really good, I didn't say they were elite or a powerhouse team. They should've fired Avery after GS and made a trade in the summer of 2007, not a panic move last year at the deadline. You don't win 67 games or go to the Finals if you're not at the very least very good. That's not an excuse to keep the team together for too long like they did, but if the Kidd trade has taught us anything, it's that you don't "take a risk" just for the sake of making a move.
B Davis and camby are still good players though they are not constant. camby is gonna significantly upgrade our defense in the paint while B Davis will bring us some new strategies to apply in our offense. Our players lack the abilities to break into the rim in half-court offense, but Davis can dribble the ball into that zone whenever he wants. I would like to trade Dampier and Josh Howard for those two guys, let B Davis start at SG and take the PG work when Kidd rests on bench.
Funny, but I thought they went from pretty good under Nellie to elite under Avery when they stopped making huge trades for big name players at the deadline every year and developed some continuity with the same core, along with a new commitment to playing defense. I agree that substantial changes needed to be made after GS and they lacked the balls because of how great the regular season was, but you want to sign off on every trade proposal that comes down the pike.This team became elite because they tinkered with the roster constantly, finding things that worked, dumping things that didn't work. What the exactly is the point of staying status quo and praying for a miracle?
How the is "we give you our 35 year old point guard, and you give us two All-Star caliber players in return" making a move for the sake of making a move?
Again, it seems like even in trade speculations or even pulling trade ideas out of a hat, anything less than "James Singleton for LeBron James" isn't good enough for Mavs fans. And even then they'd that making a Singleton/James trade leaves the bench too thin.
With Kidd, we go out in the first round. With those two guys, we go out in the second round and lose flexibility for 2010. No thanks.
mono, if you were a Suns fan, you would've been ing your pants over them dumping an aging two-guard that has seen better days and an underachieving finesse player for a legit scoring 2-guard. How has that move worked out for Phoenix?
Well I guess if you just stopped Nellie from tinkering a couple years earlier, things would have been even better even quicker, right? No Jet, no Stack, no Harris, yeah the constant tinkering is what hindered the team.
Nellie would've moved two of those three guys at some point for a big name at the trade deadline.
Blaming J-Rich for the Suns' problems is about as dumb as blaming Kidd for the Mavs problems. If D'Antoni was still around running SSOL with this current Suns team, you'd be ting yourself at the thought of playing Phoenix.
Better than giving Devean George a hefty raise and a guaranteed spot in the rotation.
Diaw and Bell can play defense, Richardson cannot. The Suns are already porous with a core of Shaq, Nash and Amare. And they'd still be pretenders with D'Antoni coaching that team. At least this way they are closer to a necessary rebuild job.
There's three kinds of teams in this league: contenders, pretenders and rebuilders. If you're pretenders like the Mavs and Suns are, you shouldn't want to stay there. If there's a trade that launches a good rebuild job, do it. If there's a trade that makes you a powerhouse team, do it. If there's a trade that gets you from the first round to the second round, I don't see what the point is.
Harris wouldn't be as good as he is if he hadn't been traded to Nets. He's got more space and freedom in New Jersey where there is no other good player except carter. Kidd is 35 but still an all-star level PG that can change the game when needed. Harris is among the best PGs in the east where there are not so many good PGs as the west.
But the real problem with our team is not the PG, even terry can play PG pretty well. We are lacking in a dominant center who should play some good defense at least, Dampier used to be the "west's best Center except O'Neal" but even today's O'Neal is way better than dampier in his prime. Dirk is not pretty good at defense due to his softness, but he has to do those dirty works himself. We pay Dampier 11m/yr but his contributions are even less than Hayes who just takes 3m from rockets team.
So we sit and wait for the miracle.
No one has blamed kidd for our problems. Our problems is with the Center position. The only way the clippers can make us give Kidd to them is to put Kaman on the negotiation. camby is a good defender but he is not less crappy than dampier in offense. clippers had hold a huge ambition before the season began, but their moves and signings has totally turned out to be failures. I don't think B Davis is going to do a better work than kidd is doing, but we can replace him with terry if Davis really sucks or gets injuried. What we urgently need is a capable center who can take the place of Dampier, and Kaman is among the best center in the west I think. If clippers refuse our trade offer that involves Dampier, we would negotiate with them on our b-plan that sends Kidd to them for Kaman and B Davis.
I'll repeat my thoughts from the game chat.
In 2003 the Mavs had a championship team but the season was derailed due to Dirk going down for the final 3 games and Kerr hitting a bunch of fluky bull jumpshots in the 4th quarter. Run and gun and no defense can't win a le? I don't buy that, it was pretty damn close that year. Let's just assume that we get past the Spurs if Kerr doesn't make bull jumpers and Dirk doesn't go down, anyone think the 49-33 ing nets would beat us because they played defense? I don't, we'd run their cuckold asses outta the gym.
In 2006 the Mavs had a championship team but Wade hit some fluky bull jumpers, Payton hit some fluky bull jumpers, and the refs decided that a 6'6 black shooting guard is more marketable than an unconventional German forward. 97 ing free throws? You ing kidding me bro? "Oh but he drove to the basket". Get the outta here with that bull , touch foul for the clinching free throws in game 5? You in serious? That's why our beloved Mavs are ringless? Granted, our beloved Mavs could've played better, but that doesn't justify the shaft.
There was nothing special about that Cheat team. Defense? Okay nothing special. Offense? Likewise. They turned it over like a mother er. Toughness? http://youtube.com/watch?v=vfuJS0SBSac I beg to differ. Jason Williams and Antoine ing Walker, that .
In 2007 the Mavs had a championship team but a bunch of GS scrubs started hitting some fluky bull jumpers and Nelson grossly outcoached Avery.
Anywho, it takes some luck to win a championship... our beloved Mavs... those years right there, 3 chances to win a le, and we were ed whether it be injuries, fluky bull jumpers, or the refs.
We should be thankful that our beloved Mavs even had a chance. I love our beloved Dirk and I believe the 2006 Finals were rigged fluky bull , but we had some nice bounces that year and most years I dont think he can be the best player on a championship team barring insane depth, multiple stars, defense, etc. Dirk as the 2nd best player on a team is a scary thought though, but few teams would have him at that.
I guess our beloved Dirk just isn't "that" great or is too unconventional.
Other than some flukes like the 2004 Pistons, in general you need a superduperstar to win a le. There's a reason half the franchises in the NBA don't have les, because there aren't that many superduperstars. Jordan, Hakeem, Duncan, Shaq, Kobe, Lebron, D-Whistle the wheelchair who doesn't deserve his ring, etc. We can't be mad at our beloved Dirk for not being of this caliber.
I foresee the future belonging to Lebron James, for he is the best player in the game regardless of what the KoME nuthuggers say. God a youth movement? So we can wait 5 years for them to develop? By then Lebron's probably got a J, it's ing over.
Now we descend into mediocrity, so? It's happened a many time before... the Kings/Blazers earlier this decade, the Pistons/Suns now, the Spurs to a lesser extent now... Boston/Cleveland/Orlando/LA were 2-3 years ago, its a cycle my beloved Mavs fans. You think we were gonna win 55 forever? The lottery and mediocrity are inevitable and occur for all NBA teams, some less than others though due to front office collusion or draft luck
We're all sour about our beloved run coming to an end without a ring, but the cir stances that led to it occurring. Bennett Salvatore is a s bag Zionist.
It just happens my beloved friends.
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That trade would make the Mavs into instant contenders. But as I said before...this isn't the land of Oz and there isn't a magical Wizard to make all things right. Can't give Mark Cuban brains, Can't give Dirk a heart, and cant take the coward out of J-Ho.
Neither does clearing cap space necessarily help the Clippers. All one has to do is look at the Chicago Bulls who for years kept a significant cap space available in the hope of picking up a franchise player. That player never materialized.
Stop crying, you sniveling ass! Stop your nonsense. You're just the afterbirth, Eli. You slithered out of your mother's filth. They should have put you in a glass jar on a mantlepiece. Where were you when Paul was suckling at your mother's teat? Where were you? Who was nursing you, poor Eli- one of Bandy's sows? That land has been had. Nothing you can do about it. It's gone. It's had. You lose.
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