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  1. #26
    Yeah, Kubiak is a brilliant coach:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/otl/n...ory?id=3885900

    HOUSTON -- When the Houston Texans' coaching staff announced to linemen that they would be running one-on-one blocking drills during minicamp last May, the rumbling started immediately, players say.



    The NFL's rules about minicamp are spelled out in the collective bargaining agreement with the NFL Players Association: no contact, no pads.



    "There's a reason why these drills are prohibited in the offseason," said offensive guard Dan Stevenson. "Football is dangerous enough as it is."



    But several sources told ESPN that even after the team's player representatives complained to head coach Gary Kubiak, the drills continued; and by the end of minicamp, three players had suffered season-ending injuries.



    According to four players and a member of the team's front office who spoke on the condition of anonymity, Kubiak and his coaching staff conducted the drills despite the fact that players were not wearing pads. Their only protection, they said, was helmets.

    "It was a live blocking drill. There were people getting pancaked. Everyone's going as hard as he can," Stevenson said.


    Stevenson suffered a labrum tear in his shoulder that he feels might end his career.



    "I was the third offensive lineman who was done for the season, just from that drill," offensive tackle Jordan Black said. "If nobody's going to stand up, it's just going to continue."



    Black had surgery to repair a torn labrum, was released by the team in June and has since signed with the Jacksonville Jaguars. Stevenson also suffered a labrum tear in his right shoulder, and center Chukky Okobi suffered a triceps injury.




    "I felt like, for my career, my occupation, my dreams, for all this to be taken away from me, to be jeopardized not for just one season but for my entire football career for something that wasn't supposed to be done -- I was upset," Stevenson said.



    Okobi couldn't be reached for comment. Black and Stevenson said that while they accept football's injury risks, they are distressed that their seasons ended in a drill they say should not have happened. Okobi has not signed with a new club.



    Stevenson and Black have labor grievances pending against the team, and Stevenson plans to sue the Texans.



    Asked about the players' charges, team counsel Suzie Thomas wrote in an e-mail, "I am unable to comment, other than to say that information set forth ... is inaccurate." Kubiak did not return calls to his office at Reliant Stadium.



    NFL and NFLPA officials said there is no specific punishment defined for a team that holds prohibited drills during a minicamp, and an NFL spokesman said the league was unaware of the complaint against the Texans until a call from ESPN.



    Stevenson's current grievance is a "non-injury" complaint that relates to the minicamp drill. A previous injury grievance was denied by the NFL Management Council. In that rejection, the NFLMC cited numerous procedural problems with Stevenson's complaint.




    One portion of the rejection letter, Stevenson said, read, "the Texans deny ... that 'players were required to participate in drills which are explicitly prohibited.' "



    Once the team denied that the drill had taken place, Stevenson took a video camera into the Texans' meeting room and filmed the team's video of the workout. The video, which was provided to ESPN, shows what appears to be full-speed, full-contact drills.



    Black and former Texans lineman Fred Weary also signed notarized affidavits supporting Stevenson's description of what took place during minicamp, from the complaints of the player representatives to Stevenson's shoulder injury.




    The players said it is not uncommon for coaches on many teams to schedule such drills during minicamp, but it is unusual for coaches to proceed with the drills when players object.




    Tom DePaso, associate general counsel for the NFLPA, said the union often hears complaints about offseason drills that violate the CBA.



    "It's this classic thing in the offseason. Coaches really want to get started on the new season; and on the other hand, we need our guys to learn and they need to rest," DePaso said.



    DePaso wouldn't specifically address the grievances against the Texans or the three players who received season-ending injuries.



    "If that were the case," he said, "that would be extraordinary."


    T. J. Quinn is an investigative reporter for ESPN. He can be reached at [email protected].

  2. #27
    Hey they lost some O-linemen that's good news!

    That 0-line has been the most overpayed under productive unit since the Texans first hit the field. The turned a promising pocket passer into a nobody in just a few years. Imagine if the o-line had actually protected Carr. Now the new QB in town Matt S. is taking his turn in the barrel and getting injured every year. Sage even got injured.

    Do you blame 3 qb's for getting banged the up or do you put some blame that in 7 years no team has ALLOWED more sacks than
    the Texans.

  3. #28
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    Yeah, Kubiak is a brilliant coach:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/otl/n...ory?id=3885900

    HOUSTON -- When the Houston Texans' coaching staff announced to linemen that they would be running one-on-one blocking drills during minicamp last May, the rumbling started immediately, players say.



    The NFL's rules about minicamp are spelled out in the collective bargaining agreement with the NFL Players Association: no contact, no pads.



    "There's a reason why these drills are prohibited in the offseason," said offensive guard Dan Stevenson. "Football is dangerous enough as it is."



    But several sources told ESPN that even after the team's player representatives complained to head coach Gary Kubiak, the drills continued; and by the end of minicamp, three players had suffered season-ending injuries.



    According to four players and a member of the team's front office who spoke on the condition of anonymity, Kubiak and his coaching staff conducted the drills despite the fact that players were not wearing pads. Their only protection, they said, was helmets.

    "It was a live blocking drill. There were people getting pancaked. Everyone's going as hard as he can," Stevenson said.


    Stevenson suffered a labrum tear in his shoulder that he feels might end his career.



    "I was the third offensive lineman who was done for the season, just from that drill," offensive tackle Jordan Black said. "If nobody's going to stand up, it's just going to continue."



    Black had surgery to repair a torn labrum, was released by the team in June and has since signed with the Jacksonville Jaguars. Stevenson also suffered a labrum tear in his right shoulder, and center Chukky Okobi suffered a triceps injury.




    "I felt like, for my career, my occupation, my dreams, for all this to be taken away from me, to be jeopardized not for just one season but for my entire football career for something that wasn't supposed to be done -- I was upset," Stevenson said.



    Okobi couldn't be reached for comment. Black and Stevenson said that while they accept football's injury risks, they are distressed that their seasons ended in a drill they say should not have happened. Okobi has not signed with a new club.



    Stevenson and Black have labor grievances pending against the team, and Stevenson plans to sue the Texans.



    Asked about the players' charges, team counsel Suzie Thomas wrote in an e-mail, "I am unable to comment, other than to say that information set forth ... is inaccurate." Kubiak did not return calls to his office at Reliant Stadium.



    NFL and NFLPA officials said there is no specific punishment defined for a team that holds prohibited drills during a minicamp, and an NFL spokesman said the league was unaware of the complaint against the Texans until a call from ESPN.



    Stevenson's current grievance is a "non-injury" complaint that relates to the minicamp drill. A previous injury grievance was denied by the NFL Management Council. In that rejection, the NFLMC cited numerous procedural problems with Stevenson's complaint.




    One portion of the rejection letter, Stevenson said, read, "the Texans deny ... that 'players were required to participate in drills which are explicitly prohibited.' "



    Once the team denied that the drill had taken place, Stevenson took a video camera into the Texans' meeting room and filmed the team's video of the workout. The video, which was provided to ESPN, shows what appears to be full-speed, full-contact drills.



    Black and former Texans lineman Fred Weary also signed notarized affidavits supporting Stevenson's description of what took place during minicamp, from the complaints of the player representatives to Stevenson's shoulder injury.




    The players said it is not uncommon for coaches on many teams to schedule such drills during minicamp, but it is unusual for coaches to proceed with the drills when players object.




    Tom DePaso, associate general counsel for the NFLPA, said the union often hears complaints about offseason drills that violate the CBA.



    "It's this classic thing in the offseason. Coaches really want to get started on the new season; and on the other hand, we need our guys to learn and they need to rest," DePaso said.



    DePaso wouldn't specifically address the grievances against the Texans or the three players who received season-ending injuries.



    "If that were the case," he said, "that would be extraordinary."


    T. J. Quinn is an investigative reporter for ESPN. He can be reached at [email protected].
    Meh. Golic said this morning on Mike & Mike that teams do this all the time. He said that it was not uncommon that you came out of these "non-contact" mini camps with all kinds of bumps and bruises. This can probably be chalked up to a freak thing.

  4. #29
    Bosshog in the cut djohn2oo8's Avatar
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    First off... @ trying to forget your own team's problems and make yourself feel better about them by pointing elsewhere.

    Better than the Cowboys? No.

    Since 2002:

    Houston 40-72
    Dallas 61-51

    Dallas has been to the playoffs 3 times while the Texans have not been at all and while I agree getting to the playoffs and losing in the first round sucks, its better than not going at all. After all, the idea of sports is winning and, more specifically to pro sports, to win a championship and you can't do that unless you make the playoffs. Unless you are one of those dip s that thinks not going to the playoffs is ok because you might lose a game. Much like some of the Lions fans I meet up here.

    All that being said, however, IMex sums it up perfectly....



    Bottom line is winning in the postseason and neither team has done that in this decade, everything else is irrelevant.

    So, Jerry Jones hires inmates like tank johnson and pacman jones to play for them??? Not so smart was it??? Pacman is suspended again.. And T.O.??? GL with them

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    Would that make you a Rams fan as well?
    Nope. I don't root for the other LA teams just cause they are or were here. I'm not a Clipper, Angel, or Bruin fan either.

  6. #31
    The 9-7 record in Dallas was a by-product of injuries, inconsistency, and a few bad breaks along the way (Injuries to Romo and Felix Jones expecially). It was considered a BAD season. You'd think they went 2-14 the way people talk in Dallas.

    A 9-7 record in Houston would be celebrated. This houston team has done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in their seven years. Their biggest accomplishment is beating what was at the time a dreadful Cowboys team in 2002.

    Dallas blew two games against the teams in the 2009 Super Bowl. The Cardinals (at Home) has to convert a third and 17 to stay in the game. The Steelers (at Home) had a field goal hit the upright and go through to get back in the game in the fourth quarter.

    I acknowledge that Dallas was underwhelming this year, but I would not be surprised if they won a bunch of games next year. Houston needs to win more games than it loses before it is taken seriously.

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    2006 Finals: Mavs up 2-0, lose 4-2
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    The 9-7 record in Dallas was a by-product of injuries, inconsistency, and a few bad breaks along the way (Injuries to Romo and Felix Jones expecially). It was considered a BAD season. You'd think they went 2-14 the way people talk in Dallas.

    A 9-7 record in Houston would be celebrated. This houston team has done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in their seven years. Their biggest accomplishment is beating what was at the time a dreadful Cowboys team in 2002.

    Dallas blew two games against the teams in the 2009 Super Bowl. The Cardinals (at Home) has to convert a third and 17 to stay in the game. The Steelers (at Home) had a field goal hit the upright and go through to get back in the game in the fourth quarter.

    I acknowledge that Dallas was underwhelming this year, but I would not be surprised if they won a bunch of games next year. Houston needs to win more games than it loses before it is taken seriously.
    As a Texan fan, I actually agree with your take. I think there's a lot of optimism in Houston for 2009, moreso than any other previous year. A lot of it is due to the big time victories in games we typically lose ( ans, Packers, Jags, Dolphins, Bears). A lot is expected next year so expect some fans to be overly excited. But for the Cowboys and their fans, no one really knows what to expect.

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    The 9-7 record in Dallas was a by-product of injuries, inconsistency, and a few bad breaks along the way (Injuries to Romo and Felix Jones expecially). It was considered a BAD season. You'd think they went 2-14 the way people talk in Dallas.

    A 9-7 record in Houston would be celebrated. This houston team has done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in their seven years. Their biggest accomplishment is beating what was at the time a dreadful Cowboys team in 2002.

    Dallas blew two games against the teams in the 2009 Super Bowl. The Cardinals (at Home) has to convert a third and 17 to stay in the game. The Steelers (at Home) had a field goal hit the upright and go through to get back in the game in the fourth quarter.

    I acknowledge that Dallas was underwhelming this year, but I would not be surprised if they won a bunch of games next year. Houston needs to win more games than it loses before it is taken seriously.

    Dallas has not won a playoff game since the Texans first entered the league

  10. #35
    Cowboys suck

    Whiz >>>>>>>>>>> Phillips
    Warner > Romo
    Fitz > T.O.
    Boldin > Roy Williams
    Cardinals O-Line > Cowboy's O-Line
    Cardinal's D = Dallas D

    Cardinals >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cow ers.

  11. #36
    Cowboys suck

    Whiz >>>>>>>>>>> Phillips
    Warner > Romo
    Fitz > T.O.
    Boldin > Roy Williams
    Cardinals O-Line > Cowboy's O-Line
    Cardinal's D = Dallas D

    Cardinals >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cow ers.
    All that and they still lost the Super Bowl.

    So, they ended up with the same thing the Cowboys ended up with . . . no championship.

  12. #37
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    Raiders have more wins than both these teams in the playoffs combined this decade.
    oh good god man, ever since 2002, you guys have the fewest wins in football. i wonder who's going to be the first to win their next playoff game? Dallas or Oakland. hmmmmmm

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    oh good god man, ever since 2002, you guys have the fewest wins in football. i wonder who's going to be the first to win their next playoff game? Dallas or Oakland. hmmmmmm
    The Texans will before Dallas, that's for damn sure.


  14. #39
    Houston needs to actually get in the playoffs ONCE to be taken seriously. Something always messes them up (Blowing the first #1 pick in their history, injuries, bad coaching changes).

    I'm not saying Dallas has been that great lately, but they have a better chance in the NFC than the Texans do in the AFC.

    I see as many Cowboys fans as Houston fans IN HOUSTON.

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    The Texans will before Dallas, that's for damn sure.

    no, that was a FAIL

    when healthy we were 13-3 with the number 1 seed in the conference, yall have yet to make the playoffs.

    Try again

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    Houston needs to actually get in the playoffs ONCE to be taken seriously. Something always messes them up (Blowing the first #1 pick in their history, injuries, bad coaching changes).

    I'm not saying Dallas has been that great lately, but they have a better chance in the NFC than the Texans do in the AFC.

    I see as many Cowboys fans as Houston fans IN HOUSTON.
    The only 2 number 1 picks were Carr and Mario. Carr was good but that poor bas took a beating and was never the same. Mario is a pro bowler starter. Something Reggie and VY have yet to do. VY got in as an alternate and that isnt a starter.

  17. #42
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    Houston needs to actually get in the playoffs ONCE to be taken seriously. Something always messes them up (Blowing the first #1 pick in their history, injuries, bad coaching changes).

    I'm not saying Dallas has been that great lately, but they have a better chance in the NFC than the Texans do in the AFC.

    I see as many Cowboys fans as Houston fans IN HOUSTON.

    For cowboys to win a playoff game, and possibly to go the super bowl, T.O. has to be released.

  18. #43
    Cowboys are pretty much better everywhere on the field except wr (maybe), and maybe d-line, but even that could be arguable, and special teams. Texans might have a couple starters here and there that are better than Cowboys starters at the same positions, but the overall depth isn't even close. I like the Texans team, and think they do have quite a bright future, but it really isn't even close. And as for Schaub, considering what the texans gave up to get him, I would say that he has been an utter disappointment. The Cowboys at least seemingly have their qb situation tied up for awhile, but it still seems like the Texans are unsure of theirs.

    DrJohn, you sir, are a ing .

  19. #44
    A corner who Dallas did not believe could play (J. Reeves) started in Houston last year. That guy's play cost Dallas the NY playoff game last year (PI penalties keeping drives alive). Weak links like that guy don't win games for you.

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    As much as I hate Reeves, he had a pretty decent year for the Texans.

  21. #46
    Maybe so, Houston isn't exactly on the prime time games to watch in Dallas. Not many Texan games are shown up here.

    He was just a guy in Dallas and was paid well to go to Houston. He got his money.

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    Bosshog in the cut djohn2oo8's Avatar
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    Cowboys are pretty much better everywhere on the field except wr (maybe), and maybe d-line, but even that could be arguable, and special teams. Texans might have a couple starters here and there that are better than Cowboys starters at the same positions, but the overall depth isn't even close. I like the Texans team, and think they do have quite a bright future, but it really isn't even close. And as for Schaub, considering what the texans gave up to get him, I would say that he has been an utter disappointment. The Cowboys at least seemingly have their qb situation tied up for awhile, but it still seems like the Texans are unsure of theirs.

    DrJohn, you sir, are a ing .
    I'll take it good sir that you never played contact football as I have in high school as a WR, (All District, Texas). I know what the I am talkin about when you have a disruptive reciever in T.O., a pussy in Tony Romo who is afraid of T.O, and a ed up head coach who can't seem to control his locker room. As a reciever, let your play do the talking on the field. Romo, grow some balls and don't let T.O. punk you. You think that Dallas is the when they finished one win ahead of the Texans??? Good JOB, since you blow so hard

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    I'll take it good sir that you never played contact football as I have in high school as a WR, (All District, Texas). I know what the I am talkin about when you have a disruptive reciever in T.O., a pussy in Tony Romo who is afraid of T.O, and a ed up head coach who can't seem to control his locker room. As a reciever, let your play do the talking on the field. Romo, grow some balls and don't let T.O. punk you. You think that Dallas is the when they finished one win ahead of the Texans??? Good JOB, since you blow so hard
    Ahhh, no wonder you dont know about football. You were a receiver. Nice to know that playing high school football makes you an expert on the subject of professional football. I also like how you changed your argument to focus on T.O. and Romo, as the rest of your argument was exposed on not only homer bias, but lack of facts or any kind of decent argument. Oh, and I also played football and basketball all through high-school, and more than half the people I played with didn't know . You fit right into that mold.

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    i wish i knew what it was like to watch my team in the playoffs

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