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    I am that guy RandomGuy's Avatar
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    And I'll immediately trust Obama more once that happens.
    I am a bit dubious of that. You seem like the kind of guy who makes up his mind and never changes it or lets new information affect those beliefs.

    BUT

    I'll take you at your word.

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    Chavez is no where close to beign a favorite of mine, and I don't aprove the whole "scrap term limits" thing but I think this vote reflects how the quality of life has improved in Venezuela since his arrival and it also proves that Socialism in the right amount is the best way to go.
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    I am a bit dubious of that. You seem like the kind of guy who makes up his mind and never changes it or lets new information affect those beliefs.
    And you'd definitely be wrong about that. I must have mentioned on this forum about 10 thousand times that I was quite possibly the most anti-Bush person in the US in 2000, and I hadn't voted Republican in 16 years when I did so in 2004. I didn't like a damn thing about Bush...I didn't like him, I didn't like his politics, I didn't like his brain....I didn't like his backers, and I didn't like his associates.

    But things changed, the situation changed, the world changed. Some of it because of Bush himself unfortunately becoming President, but not all of it. So I changed my mind because the situation changed.....although I imagine that's probably not a direction you consider to be an open minded one...

    But to me it certainly was.


    I find Obama to be like one million times more likeable than Bush was...unfortunately I find his likely backers, associations and what I percieve to be his politics far more alarming than Bush's ever were. And I never thought Bush was naive like I do Obama.

    BUT

    I'll take you at your word.
    Thanks...I appreciate it.

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    Chavez is no where close to beign a favorite of mine, and I don't aprove the whole "scrap term limits" thing but I think this vote reflects how the quality of life has improved in Venezuela since his arrival and it also proves that Socialism in the right amount is the best way to go.



    That cracked me up . . .

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    I, for one, think Chavez is great. He not only is great entertainment, but who else in our near abroad fills the role of "bad guy" ? He's like a neutered, less dangerous Saddam Hussein. You can't treat the continent like we have and not expect backlash. He is a condensed materialization of that backlash. Let him thrive. Keep him close. Nothing will ever come of his antics (that affects US, and quite frankly, I could give a damn about Venezuelans).
    I care about Venezuelans, hence my concearn about a neverending Chavez presidency.

    You, OTOH, only care about what goes on in your country. Sad.

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    Actually, I do care about the world. It's just my opinion that the average venezuelan isn't an important variable when considering the state of the world.

    Dude...they VOTED for this to go down. How about you just be happy they have a vote at all? lol...

    Besides...caring about global human rights and being giant flower-peddling pussies was something we tried under Clinton. Look where that got us.

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    Besides...caring about global human rights and being giant flower-peddling pussies was something we tried under Clinton. Look where that got us.
    And where did caring about stealing oil and beign a giant bomb-dropping jerks get you?

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    And where did caring about stealing oil and beign a giant bomb-dropping jerks get you?
    Flip side of the same coin IMO. Humanitarianism and wars of intervention go together.

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    People in Latam are ignorant. There is no other way to explain this.
    I wouldn't call ignorant, rather I'd say that demagogy is killing our countries, consider how many people that lives in the zone went to university.

    Anyhow the bad part of democracy is that my vote only worth 1 vote

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    One exception noted.

    I haven't read anything about the election's being rigged, so they can do what they want. I think Chavez is an idiot, but hey, so was Bush.
    +1

    They are free to vote what they want.Not what you want.

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