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Richard Jefferson would be ideal imo. We need a SF that can fill it up. I have long wanted him on the Spurs.
Perhaps you should stop falling in love with the names on the backs of these jerseys.
Richard Jefferson would be ideal imo. We need a SF that can fill it up. I have long wanted him on the Spurs.
Richard Jefferson? I can see the Lakers shaking in their boots already!
Seems unlikely the Spurs have the pieces to get a player of RJ's talent. However, the Bucks are way over the cap and may be willing to make some sacrifices to save $$$.
I'd be shocked if the Spurs trade for a big money contract which doesn't expire at the end of this season.
I would hate to see both Mason and Hill go. This would be a major blow to our youth movement and not neccessarily give us that much better a shot at a le. Of course if Manu goes down without Carter that would mean no shot at all.
No Deal. The Nets can keep Carter.
Why on earth would you trade Mason and Hill? They are both keepers.
And I know Bruce is older, but even so, he's a great defender and I'd be sorry to see him go.
I would love it if Bruce eventually joined our coaching staff.
If the Spurs are looking for a player like Carter or Jefferson why would they announce Ginobli's injury? Teams would know they'd be desperate to get help in here, especially if Ginobli is out for a while.
Yes, there is no way other teams wouldn't have noticed he wasn't playing otherwise.
Denial- it's right before your eyes that the Spurs have been considering Carter for some time. It probably won't happen, but they can claim they tried to get better.
The Spurs have their own reasons to like him, too. Duncan has only so many more years left, and the Spurs want to make sure they maximize them. Carter would also ease the burden on Duncan, especially on nights such as Tuesday when Duncan played almost 40 minutes.
As for Gin-sanity: An additional impact player might ease the wear on Ginobili, too.
They couldn't say he was given an extra day of rest. Or that he had personal matters to attend that took longer than expected? They wouldn't have had to give any explanation other than he was meeting the team in Detroit.
Sure, they could say that. But if you're the Nets don't you get a little curious why the Spurs would be saying Manu is okay and then be calling you about Vince Carter? It's not that hard to put 2 and 2 together.
The Spurs are almost supers iously afraid of being deceptive.
well, if Tim's best overall comparison is Hakeem, the one of Carter might be Clyde Drexler.
remember 1995? when a 32 years old Drexler joined a 32 years old Hakeem. (coincidence?)
a lot of people doubted the Thorpe for Drexler move when it happened, but in fact this was what brought the Rockets the 2nd championship.
ok, of course this doesn't mean or prove anything. I just thought it might be a nice picture.
That's pretty astute. Otis Thorpe was a crowd favorite but was promptly forgotten by the end of the season. I think, if you can get a guy of Carter's playing caliber, you do so immediately - even dropping Mason and Hill, as much as people like them. The only question would be whether there are enough shots to go around -- and both VC and certainly the rest of the Spurs don't seem to suggest this will be a problem -- any 'disappearing Vince' characteristics will be mitigated, as he'll be second or third, even fourth, option in many cases. And, can he jibe with the team in less than a season?
Now, after that, I doubt NJ does it.
It was a lot easier to forget Otis Thorpe since they had Robert Horry to fall back on. The Rockets also weren't trying to add Drexler to a backcourt that already had two all-star caliber players in it. One thing to tell Kenny Smith, Vernon Maxwell and a young Sam Cassell to make room for Clyde Drexler. Another to tell Tony & Manu to make room for Vince.
Sort of. Ginobili already comes off the bench; Carter would be taking Mason's position. Any trouble beyond that, VC really is playing a SG/SF position. I don't think, at least from this perspective, there's any great problems.
I don't think there would be great problems in the sense that guys would get selfish over wanting their shots. I just question how big of a diminishing returns factor occurs here because the Spurs already have two talented perimeter scorers capable of creating opportunities for themselves and their teammates.
I'm not sure how good of an illustration this will be, but say we trade for Vince and he gets 15 shots per game, and if we don't trade for Vince those 15 shots are spread across Mason with 10, and 5 for Tony/Manu. How many more points do we get from having Carter take 15 shots as opposed to Mason 10 + Tony/Manu 5? Obviously Vince is a vastly superior player to Mason and can get his shots on his own whereas Mason needs help getting his. Still, those shots Mason gets via help from others are still every bit as much a scoring opportunity as shots Vince would get from his own skills.
Guys like Bonner, Thomas, Bowen, etc won't be the ones having to give up shots for Vince because those guys are only shooting when they're left open. And they will continue to be left open, Vince or no Vince.
After last nights game, one thing is for sure, we need ONE more big man, and we need a SF to take Fin's spot, someone who is an offensive threat who can get to the rim. Salmons, Jefferson, etc.
If that's all the Spurs would have to give up, I can see the attraction.
With Ginobili's status now? I agree.
I keep remembering how we took a late 1st round draft pick and a late 2nd round draft and developed them into all stars. (Ok. Manu already was one). It seems like the Spurs can pull the best talent out of players like Bonner, Mason, and in the near future Hill. I would hate to get VC only to see Mason or Hill turn into All Stars on another team next year.
VC would be nice, but not for Hill AND Mason. Of course, if Bruce goes and is not waived, we are hosed as well. He is our defensive upgrade.
I am sure everyone agrees that if Finely would allow a trade, and the Nets wanted him, it would be the best option.
Ginolibi is only averaging 27 mpg and he still can't stay healthy. At this point it's difficult to imagine him being the type of contributor over the next 2-3 years that he's been in the past.
Sold.Roger Mason Jr., George Hill and Bruce Bowen
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