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Hill isn't as quick as a lot of other PGs, but his wingspan and athleticism allows him to get his shot over pretty much any other PG..so he definitely needs to be more aggressive..
maybe pop is telling tp to let up on the d up a little and save it for the playoffs
Hill isn't as quick as a lot of other PGs, but his wingspan and athleticism allows him to get his shot over pretty much any other PG..so he definitely needs to be more aggressive..
bull . parker is just sandbagging it on D...that mofo is a two time all star and doesn't think he needs to D up anymore.
the most annoying part is that he called himself a top 3 PG defender in that French interview..that's the type of that bothers me..if you're going to come out and run your mouth, back it up..
Put Bowen on them.
So now Tony is funneling penetrators into George Hill.
You outdid urself ducks.
Lmao
We have NOBODY who can defend on the periemeter other than Bowen. Parker is good sometimes but not really in the regular season. He is ALOT better in the playoffs because he takes each matchup personally and wants to out shine the opposing Pg.
Mason and Tony have a VERY hard times fighting through screens....And the NBA is all about Pick and Roll, so they better start working on that or it could cause problems down the road.
I also notice is that we allow most PG 'sto take most of the shots instead of getting his other teammates involved.
I agree his defense has been lacking.
But the Spurs as a whole haven't been doing very well defensively.
The Spurs aren't playing team defense, but I don't think TP's matchups are the problem. In fact, if you look at the numbers, I don't think they have been as bad as you remember. It's easy to let a few plays stand out in your mind, but that doesn't tell the real story.
Ukic scored 10 of his 22 points with Tony on the bench. He also hit two 3-pointers while Tony was in the game. That leaves at most 3 times that he burned Tony for baskets. (And where was the help defense?) And even with Ukic scoring 22, the Spurs held Toronto to 91 points. They would have been fine if Bonner, Mason, and Finley had not gone a combined 5-18 from the floor, with no trips to the FT line.
Nate Robinson can be a tough cover. He dropped 33 on the Lakers earlier this season. (On the second night of a B2B, on the road.) He scored 10 of his 33 points with Tony on the bench. He also pulled down more rebounds (10) than any Spur player not named Duncan. You can't lay all that on Tony. He was jacked up after his All-Star appearance, and he brought more energy than all the Spurs players combined.
The game before that, Devin Harris scored 21 points in 40+ minutes - 11 of them with Parker on the Bench.
The game before that, Rajon Rondo scored 6 points in 39 minutes.
Forget Golden State. Nobody knows who plays what position on a Don Nelson team.
Before that was New Orleans. Chris Paul had 16 points in the first 33 minutes. Parker left the game, and 5.5 minutes later Paul had 32 points. Paul finished with 38 points, but you can't blame that on Parker either.
Iverson? In case you hadn't noticed, Iverson is kinda good. Not many players in the league are going to have much success against AI without some help. And the help was definitely lacking on a number of those plays tonight. But even though Iverson got his points, the Spurs held the Pistons to just 79 points in the game. I think Pop would take that trade-off every night. And do you think that may have been part of the plan? Don't put him on the line, and make the other guys beat us?
The Spurs have played against some good PG's recently. But with the exception of Iverson, you can't say that Tony has been victimized. The numbers just don't back that up.
2007 Playoff run Tony was a beast defensively against a younger Iverson who had a complete green light. He was fantastic defender that whole playoff run.
I have faith that by the playoffs he will be fine.
If would be a big problem if we have to change our defense to stop Farmar or Fisher along with Kobe,Pau or Odom.If Parker can't guard the PG then it's better to bench him.
Looks like TP is trying , he just getting beat constantly. IF he staying in front of his guy he usually giving too much room for a jumper , if he up on his guy they get past too easily. It's been happening all season. Carrying too much burden on offense would be a good reason why he coasting on D.
It sure is nice knowing the Spurs still got George Hill around.
Good god, STFU.
funny tp d gets called out
but booner and finley's d never gets called out
Solid post, the most amazing for me was the bashing of TP after the NO game, CP3 scored half of his points with TP on the bench but doesn't matter it is like speaking to a wall.
Stop being a vagina. We have other threads to discuss that actually.
What really stood out for me on that game is that we're up 3 with barely seconds to go, and Ukic has the ball in the corner. Tony is in front of him, and what does he do? He backs up and dares him to shoot the trey!. Not only that, he didn't even put a hand up. Just turned around and saw the ball swishing in. This are the kind of mental farts that I'm upset with Tony about. There are really good PGs out there, and he'll get burn by some of them sooner or later. Nothing wrong with that. But this is basic basketball stuff, and it hurts to see an experienced guy like him still making those kind of mistakes that end up costing games.
That said, I think he'll get better. After a good amount of years, it's hard to get up for every one of the 82 games of the season. This is just pure reality. And I know he can defend better... So I'm hoping that in due time he'll turn up the intensity.
That would be a great story, if not for the fact that the Spurs were up by 4 points, not 3. So fouling a 3-point shooter would have been an absolute disaster.
And there was about 50 seconds left when Ukic took that shot, not "barely seconds". With 50 ticks, even if Ukic makes that shot the Spurs should have a 2-for-1 opportunity, with a 1-point lead. As it turned out, he did make it. And the Spurs did have a 2-for-1 opportunity. They just didn't execute on two consecutive possessions.
Tony probably should have closed out better on that particular shot. But if he had put Ukic on the line for 3 shots... or worse, given up a 4-point play... Pop would have had his ass.
Ukic popped a 3 while Tony was on him. But don't re-arrange the facts to make your point. Tony gave up 12 points to Ukic in the entire game - two 3-pointers and two deuces. That's not exactly the same thing as getting dominated. And several of the shots Ukic made were the result of poor defensive rotations, not just Tony's inability to lock up individually. There was plenty of blame to go around.
Rocco Ukic broke us
I agree it is the team defense that is lacking. TP is no stopper so he needs help. But so do most PGs in the NBA. Team D needs to improve if we wanna have any chances
It doesn't matter. The proper defensive play is to be on his grill and make him drive baseline. You don't foul him, you make him drive. If he still wants to put up a contested shot, you raise your arm up and you let him. You don't slack like that on defense with seconds to go in the game. This is exactly what we've been doing poorly as a team. It hasn't been just Tony, it's been a bunch of guys with mental breakdowns like that.
When you put it like that, I agree 100%.
As far as that shot, I don't remember how Ukic got separation so I don't know if he had a chance to force him baseline at that point. The damage may have already been done. But yeah, the breakdowns are there. The OP about Tony getting torched by opposing PG's is a little unfair. And I sure don't think that is the Spurs' biggest deficiency on defense.
GH was good in the fast break and on D. He managed the clock great at the end of the 3rd quarter and got a really nice shot off. But when it's a set half court offense and there's no where to go with the ball, he gets lost. (this was when Tim was on the bench) Seems he does not know what to do without Tim or when he is not calling his own number. I hope he learns how to run the half court offense better.
"What do we do about opposing PGs?"
How about kick their asses?
we played against Mike James, and now Kidd/some little scrub..
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