Hollinger: Parker's Big Night Just Another Example Of How Much The Mavs Miss Terry

[baseline bum]

If so, to Devean George.

[monosylab1k]

I remember someone mentioning if George didn't do that veto KVH's contract could've been used on Mike Miller. Is there any truth to that? Or just speculation.

If so, Devean George.

Well, that was when the assumption was still out there that, like with Gasol, the Grizzlies were going to give their players away for free. After we all realized the bull collusion it took to get Gasol in LA, it was no surprise that Memphis suddenly wanted all sorts of for Mike Miller.

[LockBeard]

Parker's Big Night Just Another Example Of How Much The Blazers missing Oden

[Pelicans78]

When did I say it was straight up smart? I just said it was lateral on the basketball court.

It's not lateral. Harris is better than Kidd overall, especially on defense. Plus, you gave up draft picks. so no, it's not lateral.

[Trainwreck2100]

hollinger is such a prick

[monosylab1k]

Harris is better than Kidd overall, especially on defense.

Have you ever actually watched Devin Harris play defense? Considering the way Chris Paul curbstomps him every time they match up, I'm shocked you'd say Harris is "especially" better at defense than Kidd.

Harris doesn't play defense so much as he goes for charges and flops his ass off. I'd say Harris plays Tony Parker & Rajon Rondo much better than Kidd, but Harris' Charmin-soft defense against Baron Davis & Dwyane Wade ed over the Mavs big time. I'd even go so far as to say that if you replace Devin Harris with Jason Kidd in the 07 playoffs, the Mavs beat the Warriors in 5. I'll take Kidd's savvy play on D over Harris' fishing for calls any day.

Are Devin's feet quicker than Kidd's? Absolutely. Overall is he better at defense? ing no.

[Pelicans78]

Have you ever actually watched Devin Harris play defense? Considering the way Chris Paul curbstomps him every time they match up, I'm shocked you'd say Harris is "especially" better at defense than Kidd.

Harris doesn't play defense so much as he goes for charges and flops his ass off. I'd say Harris plays Tony Parker & Rajon Rondo much better than Kidd, but Harris' Charmin-soft defense against Baron Davis & Dwyane Wade ed over the Mavs big time. I'd even go so far as to say that if you replace Devin Harris with Jason Kidd in the 07 playoffs, the Mavs beat the Warriors in 5. I'll take Kidd's savvy play on D over Harris' fishing for calls any day.

Are Devin's feet quicker than Kidd's? Absolutely. Overall is he better at defense? ing no.

Kidd is terrible defensively at this point in his career. There's a reason why the Mavs put Terry on CP3 in the playoffs. Kidd was getting abused. Plus, Harris gives u more offense. It's not a lateral trade, especially with all the pieces the Mavs gave up.

[monosylab1k]

Kidd is terrible defensively at this point in his career.

I doubt you watch enough Mavs games to not be completely ignorant here.

Kidd is too slow to keep up with quicker guards like Chris Paul, Tony Parker, Rajon Rondo, etc. But he's absolutely a better defensive player than Devin Harris. He plays team defense, he plays passing lanes, he's almost never out of place, and he plays tough.

Devin Harris, while being able to keep up with quicker guards, also gets sodomized by stronger guards (Baron Davis and Dwyane Wade being the most obvious examples), and he basically doesn't play defense so much as he just flops and fishes for charging calls.

[lurker]

Devin with 42 points tonight, 19 in the 4th quarter. Must be nice having a player that can score in the 4th.

Get well soon, Jet.

[Ghazi]

The defense statistically improved after the Kidd trade last year.

Kidd isn't great on the ball against PG's, as the Mavs are 29th in league at opposing PG PER (Nets are 26th though), although that is a vague stat.

Also, I consider defensive rebounding a "defensive stat", and he does have the highest rate among guards in that department.

I find it absurd though, Bill Simmons at the beginning of the year said Kidd's defense has declined to "Nash like" proportions. I have no idea what the he's watching when he said that. Kidd is no longer an All-NBA defender but I'll consider him an above average defender.

And he's versatile. Allows for cross matching while Terry is on the court. Good against bigger 2/3's, and he piles up dem steals baby.

This year, the entire team doesn't feel like playing defense, so I won't pinpoint anyone in specific about our defensive decline, it's the entire team's fault, or lack of defensive talent.

[monosylab1k]

I find it absurd though, Bill Simmons at the beginning of the year said Kidd's defense has declined to "Nash like" proportions. I have no idea what the he's watching when he said that.

Bill Simmons is a ing moron when it comes to anything basketball related. Remember, he's the guy who called the 06-07 Phoenix Suns "historically good" and placed them in the same league as the 80's Lakers & Celtics.

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Have you ever actually watched Devin Harris play defense? Considering the way Chris Paul curbstomps him every time they match up, I'm shocked you'd say Harris is "especially" better at defense than Kidd.

Harris doesn't play defense so much as he goes for charges and flops his ass off. I'd say Harris plays Tony Parker & Rajon Rondo much better than Kidd, but Harris' Charmin-soft defense against Baron Davis & Dwyane Wade ed over the Mavs big time. I'd even go so far as to say that if you replace Devin Harris with Jason Kidd in the 07 playoffs, the Mavs beat the Warriors in 5. I'll take Kidd's savvy play on D over Harris' fishing for calls any day.

Are Devin's feet quicker than Kidd's? Absolutely. Overall is he better at defense? ing no.

idk about that. Baron wouldve just deferred to his spinning fadeaway three pointer that he would bank in from half court with his eyes closed or something

[Ghazi]

I dunno why people poke fun at the Mavs when Devin Harris puts up bull stats in New Jersey. Seriously, big mutha in deal. The way some people make it out the Mavs traded away a dynasty and 2-3 championships.

As if this incarnation of Mavs was destined for great things with a core that just 2 years ago had an embarrassing 1st round defeat? I doubt it. again, the decline began before the Kidd trade. 67-15 in 06-07, 35-18 at ASB in 07-08. Mavs were NOT playing at an elite level before Kidd came aboard. The defense had regressed, and Dirk was in a funk. Avery was being a dumbass with the rotations, and the roster was not as talented or deep as it was during the Finals run.

So yeah... not saying it was a good trade, but it wasn't horrible. I don't lose much sleep over it. I lose sleep over the BS whistles of the Finals and the fluke ass halfcourt shots of the Warriors series, but not of the Kidd trade.

It's just bad timing for Kidd. He came to the Mavs at a time they were declining regardless, and thus gets blamed for the decline.

It's not just Kidd v Harris, it's Dirk going from MVP level play to a very good player, J-Ho from a borderline All Star to a piece of , Stackhouse losing his legs, the bench losing talent. People never talk about these factors.

Now someone said that Kidd plays good against the bad teams and bad against the good teams (not in this thread). Actually, that's true for every single Maverick, which is why we're 7-17 against the top 3 in East + other 8 Western playoff contenders.

You can argue we'd be better with Harris now than with Kidd, but you'd have a tough time arguing we'd be elite and on the level of the Cavs/Celtics/Lakers, and I'll even throw in the Magic/Spurs.

And it seems like the league got better, I'd take the Cavs/Lakers/Celtics over our '05-'06 team in a 7 game series.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Bill Simmons is a ing moron when it comes to anything basketball related. Remember, he's the guy who called the 06-07 Phoenix Suns "historically good" and placed them in the same league as the 80's Lakers & Celtics.

I still remember that article, where it said I'd be telling my grandkids I watched the 2007 Suns.

[Shank]

Kidd is terrible defensively at this point in his career. There's a reason why the Mavs put Terry on CP3 in the playoffs. Kidd was getting abused. Plus, Harris gives u more offense. It's not a lateral trade, especially with all the pieces the Mavs gave up.

Seriously. Mix in a game once in a while.

[Cry Havoc]

I still remember that article, where it said I'd be telling my grandkids I watched the 2007 Suns.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...simmons/070117

Some "gems" from that article:

You could be bouncing your grandkids on your lap someday and telling them that you watched the 2007 Suns.

With two reasonable breaks (Nash making the 3-pointer, Nowitzki missing the jumper), the Suns could be working on a 28-game winning streak right now.

Barbosa: He'd be the best guard on more than half the teams in the league right now ...

Phoenix's top six players surpass anything we've seen since Magic-Kareem-Worthy-Cooper-Scott-Thompson/Green or Bird-Parish-McHale-Johnson-Ainge-Walton. Just look at these guys. It's insane.

I think [Diaw] is one of the best 45-50 players in the league ...

Stoudemire: I'd say he's about 87 percent back, which makes him the second-best center alive

That's the biggest difference between the 2006 Suns and the 2007 Suns, with Nash's haircut symbolizing everything

If the Suns stay healthy, they should win 67-70 games and nobody should touch them in the playoffs except for Dallas

Still, I can't imagine the Suns blowing a seven-game series -- not with their style of play (impossible to stop)

[sribb43]

my how times have changed

[ambchang]

It is just monumentally stupid to compare Parker's point "contribution" with the Mavs point total. It's comparing apples and oranges. While Parker's point contribution included both points and assists, including assists that resulted in 3 pters, the Mavs production only included points.

But this is Hollinger, the math is once again wrong.