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Not true on Spurstalk that I can see. Plenty of people still sore about it. Notorious ST libs are down on Obama for this.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...highlight=FISA
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...78&postcount=6
actually yoni has a definite point.
To be fair, obama hasn't had time to implement all his policies.
But, he highlighted an obvious point.
Obama will get a free pass for every little "oopsie" that occurs from now on.
And CBF sees this too.
Bush allowed wiretapping, Nbadan, and the rest were quick to want him removed.
Obama allows it, "well we will agree to disagree."
Face it, outside of fox news and talk radio which only makes up 15% of the total media.
Bush would trade the 15% blowjobs of Fox and talk radio for what obama gets from 85% from The Network news, cable channels, Print mags, Newspapers, Blogs, Entertainment Media etc.
Call it ing, but its the dang truth son.
Not true on Spurstalk that I can see. Plenty of people still sore about it. Notorious ST libs are down on Obama for this.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...highlight=FISA
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...78&postcount=6
Maybe it was the sum of Bush's actions. Maybe it isn't an isolated action here and there but rather the ac ulation of horrible policy after horrible policy. Obama has spent most of his time to date rolling back Bush policies and while the wiretapping isn't good, we knew that about him going in and it wasn't a surprise. That doesn't mean I like it, but I knew what it was and I'll live with it if other things are fixed.
Is that right? His announcement of cap and trade doesn't affect the market? HisThis economy is not Obama's fault. He can do little to save it at this point. And whatever he does pales in comparison to a political party that elected "W" to the top of the office two times in a row.
announcement that we are going to alternate energy regardless of outcome doesn't
affect the market? His announcement that he going to raise taxes on those
making over 250 grand to about 49 percent, total, doesn't affect the market?
Obama has done just about everything he can to depress the market, all markets,
his plans has taken over most of the financial markets, banking and mortgage,
the U.S. car market, he is going to tell us what we can drive, he has taken over
management of energy, his cap and trade, if enacted will impose a tax on all
consumers. His unionization of all American workers program will put a damper
on business. And now he has a program working to make all employers with over
10 workers to take money out their workers checks and put it in savings, unless,
the worker opts out. How bout that sports fans.
Don't you just love Liberals, they want to control every aspects of your life. No
smoking, no sugar, no fats, little cars, seat belts, compulsory insurance, car seats,
no lead in paint, suffer the little animals, no dams, no carbon, no breathing, no
farting. Tax the out of everything. And take care of the poor of course.
You're either a ing idiot, or a liar. Actually both, because that isn't happening. I didn't read the rest of your post, but I'll assume it contained equally absurb mis-information. GTFO Ray, it was nice having you gone.
Well let's see. He wants to go back to what for people making over
250 grand. Income tax: 39.9 percent, raise the cap on FICA and
medicare for all making over 106 grand, some tax cut for those making
less than 250 grand, huh? FICA and Medicare 7.65 (that is if they are
working for someone else, if self-employed they will pay both halves)
and another little jewel, capital gains tax for those over 250 grand of
raise the tax from 10 to 15 percent. Can you figure out what the
RICH will be paying........simple math, stupid.
So Huffer-puffer get your head out of where the sun don't shine
and learn a little something. The taxes could go up to 51 percent.
Damn.
That's okay, I accept your apology.
Actually, he's raising taxes on everyone...well, everyone that either gives charitably or uses energy.
His cut of the charitable contributions deduction raises everyone's (who give) taxable income thus, raising their taxes.
His cap and trade scheme will double to quintuple energy costs. If you think your light bill is high now, just wait.
Tell me this Ballijuna...if the markets are failing because of the banking and housing crisis, why hasn't he or Geitner proposed one thing to resolve it? Why is, all of a sudden, education, energy, and health care the answer to the failing markets? Who does most of the money in the "stimulus" bill go to pet liberal projects that won't re-infuse the money into the economy for, in some cases, over a year?
A cynic could conclude that Obama isn't "wasting this crisis" and is, instead, using it to advance a socialist agenda. He seems so perky when talking about the latest depressing market tumbles...
Why are market experts -- some of whom voted for Obama -- now questioning either his sanity or motives?
Why can't he get 17 undersecretaries of the Treasury appointed? Why are others backing out of appointments? Why can't he seem to find a political appointee without a scandal? Why do Rahm Emmanuel (White House Chief of Staff), George Stephanopoulos (ABC News) [who is omitted in all the news stories about this daily ritual], Paul Begala (Clinton lap dog), James Carville (another Clinton lap dog), and Stan Greenberg (Pollster) talk every morning? Every morning. More importantly, why is the press not more critical of this "cabal" of a liberal think tank? Imagine if a Republican President's Chief of Staff did this?
The same cynic could conclude these people are strategizing on how to whitewash Obama's mistakes and demonize his opponents. , it doesn't even really take a cynic. In the articles I've read (that conveniently omit George Stephanopoulos's name) they admit to talking about how to respond to their critics.
What is going on at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave? Besides, that is, Mic e Obama sending some lackey to the White House gift shop to pick up trinkets for visiting dignitaries' children?
Other than changing Bush's approach to the financial crisis -- with devastating results to the markets and changing policy on stem-cell research, exactly what has Obama changed?
His policy on Iraq is the same, he just repackaged it. His 19 month pull out of troops is meaningless if, when the time comes, instability dictates we stay longer.
His policies on national security, treatment of detainees, rendition, etc...all the same as Bush's; regardless of what you hear him say, he isn't changing the war on terror.
So, yeah, he's changed Bush's domestic agenda ... and to devastating results.
Big ing hope and change.
As Bill Clinton said a couple of weeks ago, "Where's the hope?"
An administration discussing how to mitigate mistakes and deal with opponents?
You think this is somehow a new thing?
You're an idiot.
Are you calling for congressional hearings, frog marches, and show trials?
Yeah, didn't think so.
I'll rip both of you apart later, easily, right now I'm going to Costco.
I'm actually starting to think announcing all the tax hikes two years early is a smart move. If the markets are truly taking a because of them, they can't do so later -- it's not like investors can say it took them by surprise.
Don't forget to pick up a teleprompter.
Look, I'll grant this; for those in here who want socialism...nationalized health care, energy policy and education...this President is singing your song and I'll understand, from here to eternity, your position in defending him.
But, don't expect the rest of us to take it lying down.
Obama isn't addressing the crisis. He's using it to advance an agenda.
They let him in COSTCO, I thought that was an upscale shopping warehouse.
He isn't addressing the crisis the way Republicans want to, which is -- oh, that's right -- we never heard anything from Republicans.
We can read their earmarks though. They speak louder than anything.
Fiscally responsible in the midst of a crisis, right?
And we heard President Obama say over and over and over and over "no earmarks,no pet projects,if you elect me I will go line by line and make sure no earmarks" Over 8,000...Holy .
You people can spin this however you want but what you can't defend is that Obama is a liar. Plain and simple. He lied. You can say "BUSH" you can say other politicians, you can say he won the election so he can do what he wants but what you can't say is he is truthful.
As the days and months pass you will continue to see Obama for what he is. A dirty politician that did and said anything and everything to get elected. Now that its here you see his lies and inexperience.
So you expected him to veto any bill with even one earmark?
This is politics. So far he's gotten his legislation through. He's got four years to curb earmarks.
As for being a liar, what politician isn't?
Ridiculous man. It has 8,000 earmarks not 1. He isn't going to curve earmarks, Holy . Nothing in his life says he will do anything. Look at the guys voting record as a senator. Nothing. Look how many times he voted freaken present. Not yes,not no but present.
This is crazy that he is the president. Seriously. Its nuts. How bout demand ur politicians to tell the truth. How bout everyone who voted for Obama say "Son, you lied to our nation" and contact their local congressman and the state senators and tell them not to vote for anything this guy lied about. If they do get rid of them.
"So you expected him to veto any bill with even one earmark?" Really. Thats ur comment. 8,000 and you say this. Unreal. Seriously UNREAL.
Instead of making excuses for Obama, acknowledge he is a fraud or atleast lied to those people who voted for him expecting a actual change in politics, not the same BS and spending a trillion dollars while doing it. Be upset about it. Do something about it. I do
Honestly I really think people have no clue how much he is ing this nation up. This is really sad. I feel so bad for our country.
First of all, you didn't get my point. I did point out that liberals disagreed with Obama, just that they are more lenient towards obama than bush.
When Bush allowed wiretapping, it was seen as an impeachable offense.
was the wiretapping an impeachable offense?
You're right, this is politics. THough Obama said he was going to be a different politician. anyway back to your point...
I guess the main qualm is with the 2006 democrat outrage moreso than obama. The democrats and even some moderate republicans were ing about the republicans sleeping with k street and using earmarks to bload the budget. This was something that they told the american people that should remove the republicans from power.
Earmarks, outrageous spending, etc, those were all tied to republicans and were a reason as to why the republicans should be moved out.
Not only that, but it was the republican deficits that were blamed for the devaluation of the dollar. So what do the democrats do? they promise americans to do the opposite, but instead out bloade the republicans in govt spending and earmarks.
now with obama, he spoke out of both sides of his mouth(Hypocrisy when republicans do it, Payback's a when Democrats do it -Winehole23 productions). On the campaign trail and on network news, he ripped republicans, while on the debates he diminished the importance of earmarks since they only make up a small percentage of the budget.
If you really want change, you're going to have to start holding your side accountable is all we're saying, or else expect buisiness as usual and a republican resurgence in 8-12 yrs.
Last edited by Ignignokt; 03-07-2009 at 08:05 PM.
No, it's the democrats fault as a party. For years talking it down, making people believe it. Confidence is a large factor of the economy. The democrats have been saying that president Bush has been hurting it. In medicine, we call it the placebo effect. This economic fear has kept the economy from growing as good as it should have for some years now.
The housing crisis. The biggest market bubble in history broke. Republicans as a whole tried to change regulations to prevent it as far back as 2003 and beyond. Democrats managed to block the attempts.
Now enter the presidency of a liberal with a liberal congress. Talk about increasing taxes on the wealth builders of this nation and those who provide jobs. Spending future money, giving it to the same people who bankrupt their companies. It's now gone. I total waste. There is no hope for those who have money. Only fear, so they shelter it. This years tax revenues will pale compared to previous years, and the more destructive that the democrats have towards the freedom of Americans who achieve, the worse things will become.
This government is driving this nation to the lowest common denominator. Gone is the American Heart. Liberals don't have a clue of what patriotism is. In the attempt's to help losers, they take away the freedom to fail. In taking away the freedom to fail, the freedom to seceded diminishes.
Yes. The current economy is Obama's fault. The first bailout should have been a clear indication not to with market forces. Follow what;s happening. Each of the talk about what's in these bailouts, followed by passing them drives consumer confidence and the markets farther into the Abyss.
I only wonder how far the markets must fall before I can start investing in stocks again. For me, this is a mixed blessing. My job isn't going anywhere. I will be employed. I have not wavered from contributing 15% of my pay to my retirement. I have lost value in my old investments, rebalanced my mix, and my last statement shows just below a 1% gain. When I feel like we are near the market bottom, I am changing my asset allocation back to all stocks. I now believe that will between 5000 to 6000 of the DOW. Regardless, the market will rise at some point unless this administration manages to destroy this country. If that happens, it doesn't matter. I may be one that dies in the next civil war against Marxism. I will fight for my country. As long as the democrats don't destroy us, my retirement will see a real nice boost in value.
Nicely said. It won't be 8-12 years but 4 the way this man is going. People don't get that there are republicans and democrats. They vote that way no matter what. The people who made Obama president were neither. They wanted a change and believed this guys BS and now are still backing him to a point. Not much of one but a point. This he is pulling the first 60 days of his presidency is ing crazy. I am over the fact the guy had no expierence. Here he is now and just straight up lying and hurting our families and our country.
No and I'm fairly certain you can't find a post where I even said anything nearly close to that.
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