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    This is called teaching...something Pop was obviously uninterested in doing tonight.
    And for good reason. No Tim. No Manu. Second game of a back-to-back. Western Conference standings tightening up.

    You go for the win, not the education.

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    We didn't even try to utilize him on the low block. Almost all the plays that were run for him were out of the high pick and pop and the Wolves were sniffing it out.

    As far as defense goes...yes, he is going to miss rotations. You go over it with him at the half and give him another shot in the third quarter. This is called teaching...something Pop was obviously uninterested in doing tonight.
    Is he ever interested. Hate to remind u of Beno and even barry who merely becomes a spot-up shooter

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    don't worry about it. pops knows just what he's doing

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    Is he ever interested. Hate to remind u of Beno and even barry who merely becomes a spot-up shooter
    Yes, did you not see last nights game, or the Rockets game especially. Pop just needs to run some post plays for him. That's something I know Pop did in H-town.

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    Do you think that playing Gooden gave the Spurs a better chance to win? If you do, I'd have to disagree. It's no mistake that the Spurs were outscored by ten points with Gooden on the court. Against a smallish team that utilizes a lot of back picks, your bigmen have to know where to rotate. You play Gooden at this point and Minnesota's offense would have been difficult to contain.
    This has to be the right reason why. At this point after losing last night against OKC we needed a win really bad to stay at #2 and hold our leads against the teams chasing us. So since Fab and KT were playing so well, we kept them out there and sat Gooden since he can still learn the system and everything as time passes some, whether in other games or practices also. Plus, Minny was playing alot of small ball tonight so no reason to throw him out there.

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    Kurt had a good game
    10 pts, 10 rebs and 6 assts

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    its too bad gooden wasnt as effective as he and probably the rest of the spurs fans hoped. hope this was a valuable learning experience for him.

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    Which game did Gooden have a putback dunk?

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    The offense wasn't working with Gooden out there. And the fact that they were putting Tony on lockdown made it even more evident. Spurs needed alot of picks and ball movement to get there offense going and when Gooden was out there it just didn't look like things were working. Deciding weather to throw a screen or look for the ball in the lowpost; he just wasn't sure which to do. His teamates just need more time to get use to him and vice versa. Kudos to Pop for recognizing it and letting Fab help us get this win.

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    Gooden is gonna need some practice with the team..how many practices with the team has he had? anybody know? it can't be much..

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    Gooden is gonna need some practice with the team..how many practices with the team has he had? anybody know? it can't be much..
    Not many, all they've said is he's practiced with George Hairston, and training staff.

    And to whoever thought Gooden looked lost on O, I hope he goes to the post, it sure as worked to a T in Houston. Quick question, who do y'all think is the best backup big to have with Gooden? My pick would be KT.

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    Yes, Pop should have played Gooden more tonight. He should have played him longer against OK City - if he had, we would have won. But I think he was trying to prove some kind of point. He's also trying to prove some kind of point by allowing Bowen to rot on the bench instead of giving him minutes this year. Not a smart move. He's giving Udoka minutes he should be giving Bowen. Also not a smart move. Bowen is shooting 43% from three-point range this year. That's a tremendous percentage - which should be earning Bowen minutes. Instead, he's sitting on the bench watching Udoka clank jumper after jumper, after committing foul after foul.

    Bottom line...Pop is not a genius.

    He has a good system defensively, but more importantly he has Tim Duncan anchoring that defense and defending the rim for the last ten years. Duncan can make any defense look good, but he makes Pop's system look great.

    Pop is not a great game coach, and we all know his subs ution patterns are often nonsensical - to everybody but himself. Our offense down the stretch in close games has been so predictable for years that it's embarrassing. Manu's creativity is the only thing that saves us from being an Atari program in a league of Playstation 2 offenses.

    I think Pop is too often guilty of being stubborn and unwilling to change...i.e. taking a long time to just let Manu be Manu, always going with vets (to a fault...Van Exel, etc.) over younger and more athletic players, etc. There just aren't a ton of guys in the league who will play for a totalitarian regime like Pop runs. Fortunately for us, Tim Duncan and Parker and Manu are okay with that. Amazingly.

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    I think Pop is giving Gooden time to heal. It doesn't make sense to give him extended minutes only to risk aggravating the injury. Smae thing applies to Manu, Timmy also.. the playoffs are fast approaching and Pop is going to be very conservative when it comes to players' health.

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    its too bad gooden wasnt as effective as he and probably the rest of the spurs fans hoped. hope this was a valuable learning experience for him.
    I am so glad we are teaching him a lesson by benching him when he has only played two games with any kind of meaningful minutes.
    And for good reason. No Tim. No Manu. Second game of a back-to-back. Western Conference standings tightening up.

    You go for the win, not the education.
    It's going to be tight the rest of the way. I don't see that as a good reason.

    Look...I am not saying you keep him in there while Rome burns, but at least give him a shot in the 3rd. If he is still looking like he is not working out matchup-wise then go back to Oberto/Thomas. It's not much to ask from a coach that rides Finley into the fire without seeing the flames.

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    And for good reason. No Tim. No Manu. Second game of a back-to-back. Western Conference standings tightening up.

    You go for the win, not the education.
    Exactly. Last night didn't warrant A major need for him. Plus the fact that if he reinjures himself and can't play for an extended period of time they will feel like they wasted money. Give him A few minutes here and there and work him in and rest him when he's not really needed.

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    Yes, Pop should have played Gooden more tonight. He should have played him longer against OK City - if he had, we would have won. But I think he was trying to prove some kind of point. He's also trying to prove some kind of point by allowing Bowen to rot on the bench instead of giving him minutes this year. Not a smart move. He's giving Udoka minutes he should be giving Bowen. Also not a smart move. Bowen is shooting 43% from three-point range this year. That's a tremendous percentage - which should be earning Bowen minutes. Instead, he's sitting on the bench watching Udoka clank jumper after jumper, after committing foul after foul.

    Bottom line...Pop is not a genius.

    He has a good system defensively, but more importantly he has Tim Duncan anchoring that defense and defending the rim for the last ten years. Duncan can make any defense look good, but he makes Pop's system look great.

    Pop is not a great game coach, and we all know his subs ution patterns are often nonsensical - to everybody but himself. Our offense down the stretch in close games has been so predictable for years that it's embarrassing. Manu's creativity is the only thing that saves us from being an Atari program in a league of Playstation 2 offenses.

    I think Pop is too often guilty of being stubborn and unwilling to change...i.e. taking a long time to just let Manu be Manu, always going with vets (to a fault...Van Exel, etc.) over younger and more athletic players, etc. There just aren't a ton of guys in the league who will play for a totalitarian regime like Pop runs. Fortunately for us, Tim Duncan and Parker and Manu are okay with that. Amazingly.
    We had enough defensive lapses without Gooden in there. I think the loss probably had something to do with shooting 3-19 from 3 point land, or something like that. Gonna blame that one on Pop, too?

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    We can't afford to lose the games we are supposed to win. It made sense to keep Oberto in the line-up. He was playing good...gooder....goodest....better than gooden.

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    Winning > Getting Gooden acclimated
    winning a regular season game > getting Godden acclimated for the playoffs???

    nope.

    Spurs did not need a win badly. why would they?

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    winning a regular season game > getting Godden acclimated for the playoffs???

    nope.

    Spurs did not need a win badly. why would they?
    to keep our lead over houston and others below us. our seeding isn't the end all and be all, but we definitely want to try and keep home court in the early rounds. also losing two games in a row to bad teams would have been poor for morale, momentum, etc.

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    to keep our lead over houston and others below us. our seeding isn't the end all and be all, but we definitely want to try and keep home court in the early rounds. also losing two games in a row to bad teams would have been poor for morale, momentum, etc.
    Do you really think keeping 2nd seeding as opposed to 3rd seed is more critical than getting Gooden comfortable in the spurs system?

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    What is the over/under on how quickly Gooden starts to complain about his role (or lack of it) on this team?

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    And for good reason. No Tim. No Manu. Second game of a back-to-back. Western Conference standings tightening up.

    You go for the win, not the education.
    I believe I'll have to disagree with you here. How I see it, getting players ready for the playoffs outweighs winning games at this point. Especially for a player joining the team so late in the season that is expected to be an impact for our playoff run this year.

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    Pop may want to keep Gooden hungry and not taking things for granted. Once Gooden gets a solid spot in the rotation, the ability to teach and motivate him -- to challenge his limitations -- may go down.

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    Got damn some Spurs fans are somehow spoiled and overconfident at the same time. Now winning a game on the second night of a back to back without Tim and Manu isn't good enough. The Spurs have to win the game on the second night of a back to back without Tim and Manu while basing the rotation not on who is playing well but who needs to learn the most.

    And a win wasn't important? Last playoffs proved how much harder it is to win without homecourt advantage. There's a gigantic difference between a two seed and a three seed. I'm glad Pop realizes that and didn't treat last night like a summer league game as some Spurs fans apparently wanted. And I'm sure those same Spurs fans would be the ones complaining if the Spurs lost.

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    i hope timmy plays on tuesday im driving 8 hours to see that game.

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