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    nice.

    go ahead and consider yourself an idiot.
    why am I an idiot? That is a proven fact that African Americans are one of the largest demographics for Cadillac.

    I just did a simple google search, and you can see that of any luxury brand, Black people buy Cadillac the most

    http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...9/ai_n15953932

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    why am I an idiot? That is a proven fact that African Americans are one of the largest demographics for Cadillac
    I think you mean African Americans and people with money.

    You are an idiot.

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    I think you mean African Americans and people with money.

    You are an idiot.
    since when is Black a derogatory word?

    I said black people buy Cadillacs and that is true. If you give a black man $60,000 and he can only spend it on a car he will likely atleast consider a Cadillac. If you go to a yuppie and give them the same money they will buy a Audi, MB or BMW. It's not making it up.

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    I have a sharebuilder account and it's $9.95 a trade, so if you just did $25 a week or month, you are losing like 50% everytime you make a purchase. The only time they don't charge you is when you are buying their Mutual Funds. I could be missing something, but that is how I take it
    Read my description above. Also, you don't have to invest the moment it hits your account, you can ac ulate, then invest. If you set up $25 a week, then invest only once a month, then you have brought the percentage than you pay in commission down from near 50% in your example to 4% in mine.

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    Nissan 12.5%

    Chevrolet 11.6%

    Toyota 9.5%

    Ford 9.2%

    Chrysler 7.7%

    Honda 5.3%

    Dodge 4.4%

    Hyundai 3.8%

    Cadillac 3.3%



    Now think about this. Black people bought almost as many Caddies as they did Dodge's. When you consider than probably only a handful of people surveyed were upper class, that makes that 3.3% even larger. Obviously the middle class more high volume brands will sell more, but 3.3% is alot of cars. If this survey was only luxury brands I'm guessing that Caddie would be in the 75-80% range if not higher.

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    since when is Black a derogatory word?
    It's really not

    I said black people buy Cadillacs and that is true. If you give a black man $60,000 and he can only spend it on a car he will likely atleast consider a Cadillac. If you go to a yuppie and give them the same money they will buy a Audi, MB or BMW. It's not making it up.
    this just gets better.

    I hate deterring from this thread because it's a good thread.....

    but you are an idiot.

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    ..........and if I'm not mistaken, isn't GM going to consolidate the Buick, Olds and Chevrolet brands?
    They phased out olds years ago

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    The report is a joke...JD Powers does not do reliability tests based on 2 or 4 year periods…They are more like fewest complaints in the first 90 days of ownership…There is no way a Jaguar can compete with Honda or Toyota in long term reliability & resale value….

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    It's really not



    this just gets better.

    I hate deterring from this thread because it's a good thread.....

    but you are an idiot.
    Alright, you have called me that 3 times but don't give me a reason why I'm an idiot. It's a fact black Americans are one of the largest demographics for caddy, so when I say black people buy caddies I'm right, so I'm missing the comment that makes me an idiot

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    The report is a joke...JD Powers does not do reliability tests based on 2 or 4 year periods…They are more like fewest complaints in the first 90 days of ownership…There is no way a Jaguar can compete with Honda or Toyota in long term reliability & resale value….
    Buick, Jag, Lexus, Toyota

    These three have the highest rating in the JD Power and associates Dependability rating.

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    Riiiiight…Buy & new Jag & see if you can sell it for 20% of what you paid for it three years before…

    The only Jags that are reliable are the ones that owners put 350 CI Chevrolet engines in…

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    If Jaguar made guns there would be no wars….

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    Riiiiight…Buy & new Jag & see if you can sell it for 20% of what you paid for it three years before…

    The only Jags that are reliable are the ones that owners put 350 CI Chevrolet engines in…
    As to your first statement, nothing in this thread indicates anything about resell value, only quality and dependability.

    As to your second statement, the data collected by those who have access to far more experiences, and resources than you say otherwise.

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    I guess that is why Ford unloaded Jaguar at a fire sale…Because Jags are so well made…

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    I guess that is why Ford unloaded Jaguar at a fire sale…Because Jags are so well made…
    Um, they were making the Jags for years before the "unloaded at firesale prices." If they thought they weren't being well made, they would have changed them. That arguement is as silly as saying Ford voted to cease to exist because Fords aren't well made. They unloaded because it did not fit into their reorganized business plan, which is responsible for their ability to thrive without bailout money.

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    people with actual money and black people buy Cadillacs.
    honestly, if you can't figure out what's wrong with this, then you are an idiot.

    either way, you're an idiot.

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    honestly, if you can't figure out what's wrong with this, then you are an idiot.

    either way, you're an idiot.
    I hate jumping into this fray, but I originally thought your problem was with the word "black", but then you said it wasn't. Should he have qualified it with black people in the middle class segment, or how?

    I guess I am an idiot.

    Wait, I think I got it, the black people have to have money in order to buy a cadillac, so why seperate them from the first group (i.e. "people with money"), is that right?

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    I finally get it!...It’s a play on words…
    “Reliable Jaguar”…
    It’s like saying “honest politician” or ”military intelligence”…

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    I finally get it!...It’s a play on words…
    “Reliable Jaguar”…
    It’s like saying “honest politician” or ”military intelligence”…
    Look this all goes back to think with your head not with your heart. I am not saying that you should look at JD Power and buy a car based solely on that, I am saying that it gives you a good idea where to begin looking. JD, Consumer reports, edmunds, actual reviews by customers (9.6 for the last three years on the XJ series for Jag on edmunds). If you want to base your decision on old data instead of new learning, go for it. That style of thinking allows history to repeat itself.

    Also, its not play on words, you are thinking of an oxymoron. For example Rational Cavs Fan.

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    I guess that if JD Powers said that the Yugo & the Fiat 500 were reliable cars we should believe that as well…

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    I guess that if JD Powers said that the Yugo & the Fiat 500 were reliable cars we should believe that as well…
    Straw man.

    Did they actually do that? If not you are building a straw man which is a false arguement. If their studies indicate that a car is reliable then I see no reason not to believe them. Then (and I already explained this before, but I guess you can't read rational thought either), you take that information as a basis for further personal research.

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    We should always believe corporations (instead of the general populace) who claim to be the experts… After extensive study & research Standard & Poors gave mortgage securities a AAA rating….That worked out pretty well…

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    We should always believe corporations (instead of the general populace) who claim to be the experts… After extensive study & research Standard & Poors gave mortgage securities a AAA rating….That worked out pretty well…
    Last post: sorry I have things to do other than teach basic reading and critical thinking skills to you.

    Re: General populace V. Corporations
    Once again, I assume you lack the ability to even read a rational thought since I already said that part of your research should include consumer reviews. I even gave you the score that CONSUMERS gave the last three years of the Jag XJ series. It should be an all of the above approach, experts, and customer reviews.

    Re: S&P and Moodys
    I have to ask ifi it is some kind of OCD impulse that you bring false arguements. S&P and Moodys are not the same company as JD Power or Consumer Reports. , they aren't even in the same industry. They don't have anything to do with each other. How their improprieties fit in to an arguement that has to do with how cars are rated is beyond me. If you are trying to make the arguement that all corporations should be mistrusted because of the acts of these few, so be it. But you should not be on a computer, living in a home, or driving a car, because those corporations cannot be trusted. Maybe you should go and live on some land and hunt your own food, but you cant do that either because some cows in england had mad cow disease, so all animal meat cant be trusted. You should become a vegan. DAMN, there have been reports throughout history of diseased plants and crops, so you cant eat that. Perhaps you should see how long you can survive on water only. Ooops, water all over the world has been tainted, you cant trust that. I guess that is why people say that it is hard to live with paranoia and distrust, because all you can do in the end is die.

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    honestly, if you can't figure out what's wrong with this, then you are an idiot.

    either way, you're an idiot.
    I'm referring to people that don't try to flaunt their worth through the cars they drive, and Old money buy Cadillacs. Yuppies, the opposite of what I just described, don't. Maybe you didn't understand what I was saying

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    Do you know anything about JD Power & associates? Have you ever been to JD Power & associates? There is not one employee who knows a volt from an ohm…I doubt that their resident experts could figure out how to change oil on a Chevy Suburban…

    Don’t get me started on Consumers Union…The same gal that is trying out toasters one day is the resident expert on Variable Appreciative Life insurance the next day….

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