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    It is what it is. I Love Me Some Me's Avatar
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    It's not rape if you consent.

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    Seeking the quiet mind desflood's Avatar
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    In Michigan the price will go from roughly $20/lb to $70/lb with all the added taxes.
    Wow. I can practically hear my mother screaming

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    It's not rape if you consent.
    True but some are addicted

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    JekkaIsGoddess Jekka's Avatar
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    If everyone quits, then we'll end up paying more in the long run due to the increased life expectancy of smokers. Plus, they'll need to make up that lost tax money from somewhere.
    Does that increased life expectancy cost more or less than treating most of them for lung cancer?

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    True but some are addicted
    Addicts kick the habit all the time.

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    Che cazzo stai dicendo? DisgruntledLionFan#54,927's Avatar
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    Does that increased life expectancy cost more or less than treating most of them for lung cancer?
    More.

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    Veteran jack sommerset's Avatar
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    Addicts kick the habit all the time.
    I wouldn't say cigarette addicts kick the habbit all the time. Maybe crack heads but not smokers. They generally smoke until they die or the doctor says "stop or you will die"

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    JekkaIsGoddess Jekka's Avatar
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    Really? I've known people that have maxed out their health insurance benefits going through chemo/radiation/surgeries/etc for long periods of time, which is sometimes $2-3 million.

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    I wouldn't say cigarette addicts kick the habbit all the time. Maybe crack heads but not smokers. They generally smoke until they die or the doctor says "stop or you will die"

    I quit after smoking for about 25 years or so ... just because I felt like it, and I know lots of other people that have, too. So yeah, people kick the addiction all the time. Jacking the price up the last time, though, was a big motivator for me ... I can't lie.

    Everytime you see a doctor they'll tell you to quit smoking or you'll die ... that's not limited to imminent terminal cancer situations.

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    They generally smoke until they die or the doctor says "stop or you will die"
    Yep, but then we're back to the "consent" point. If they choose not to quit smoking...

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    Che cazzo stai dicendo? DisgruntledLionFan#54,927's Avatar
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    Really? I've known people that have maxed out their health insurance benefits going through chemo/radiation/surgeries/etc for long periods of time, which is sometimes $2-3 million.
    Nah, I don't really know. It's an interesting question, though.

    BTW, I believe only 14-15% of smokers actually get lung cancer. You'd have to broaden the scope and include smoking related illnesses.

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    It's not rape if you consent.
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    JekkaIsGoddess Jekka's Avatar
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    Nah, I don't really know. It's an interesting question, though.

    BTW, I believe only 14-15% of smokers actually get lung cancer. You'd have to broaden the scope and include smoking related illnesses.
    Fair enough - although I have to wonder just how many smokers would get lung cancer if something else didn't get them first. My grandfather smoked for 60+ years, and lung cancer is what finally got him, but it didn't develop until the last 2 years of his life or so (as he was still smoking).

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    and your source of information for this is?

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    Che cazzo stai dicendo? DisgruntledLionFan#54,927's Avatar
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    and your source of information for this is?
    No source, just an opinion. I doubt you could get a definitive answer either way.

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    All Hail the Legatron The Reckoning's Avatar
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    buy American Made all natural filtered cigars. they smoke like a cigarette and are made in San Antonio. since they are "cigars", they are not taxed and are only .99 cents a pack!

    http://www.finckcigarcompany.com/fin...SUCN378RXGF754

    oh...and you're welcome.

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    right about pizzagate Blake's Avatar
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    No source, just an opinion. I doubt you could get a definitive answer either way.
    figured.

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    Che cazzo stai dicendo? DisgruntledLionFan#54,927's Avatar
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    It wouldn't have been hard to figure if you actually read the thread.

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    Che cazzo stai dicendo? DisgruntledLionFan#54,927's Avatar
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    But since you wanted one:

    ...healthy individuals on average had lifetime health care costs of $417,000, compared with $371,000 for obese individuals and $326,000 for smokers, according to the study.
    http://www.alliedquotes.com/Insider/...nce-costs.html

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    I don't know why, but I love me some second hand smoke. I was never able to enhale ciggarete smoke (too rought on the lungs), but I love the act of smoking.

    With that being said: ciagretts are bad for you: proven fact. What I don't understand is the hatered for smokers. It seems to me that its more acceptable these days to shoot up heroin then to light upa ciggarette every one in a while.

    This reminds me of the SOuth Park EPesode: Death Camp of Tolerence, for those of you who follow the show.

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    JekkaIsGoddess Jekka's Avatar
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    I don't know why, but I love me some second hand smoke. I was never able to enhale ciggarete smoke (too rought on the lungs), but I love the act of smoking.

    With that being said: ciagretts are bad for you: proven fact. What I don't understand is the hatered for smokers. It seems to me that its more acceptable these days to shoot up heroin then to light upa ciggarette every one in a while.

    This reminds me of the SOuth Park EPesode: Death Camp of Tolerence, for those of you who follow the show.
    Personally, there are a number of factors for why I hate smoking so much - 1) my association with it is of my grandfather in his 70s hacking up phlegm and coughing death rattles all over the house. 2) The more I am away from smoke, the more vile it smells to me when I finally smell it again, and it gives me horrible headaches.

    That being sad, I don't make it a point to proactively tell people, "You know that's bad for you, right?" And some smoke is worse than others - my best friend used to roll her own tobacco and it never offended me as badly as a pack of Camels (though she has since quit smoking).

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    What I hate about smokers? The believe that because they chose to smoke I have to smoke too (second hand smoke) then when you tell them to go some place else to smoke they about people not respecting their rights.

    This happens to me at school at least one a week, people will sit next to you in the lobby, that is a non-smoking zone, and light one. After you get tired of coughing from having all that smoke in your face and asking them to either get rid of it or got smoke to another place, they either ignore you or to you.

    I don't care how badly you want to hurt yourself, just don't get me involved in it.

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    yeah, Obama signed this new tax. it goes up another 65 cents

    it's a bad habit that needs to die out. the older generation of smokers were lied to and they got hooked on a bad, stinky, cancer causing habit.


    Kick the habit. Gotta break the chain somewhere.
    If by older generations you mean the last thousand years or more.

    Not quite a $1 increase ($0.62) and your friendly cigarette manufacturer is screwing you over by passing on the increase early:

    http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...2.4ac7038.html

    A big jump in the federal excise tax on cigarettes – from 39 cents a pack to $1.01 – is now being factored into prices charged by the major tobacco companies in advance of the April 1 effective date of the new rate.
    I think I saw an article a week or so ago saying after this 60ish cent raise another one is coming along right behind it. Def screwing over a certain group in ordre to pay for something else. Booze is going the same route I beileve.

    <<-- glad she quit.
    Glad I quit too, but the longer I go (7 months now) the harder it's getting.

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    Everytime you see a doctor they'll tell you to quit smoking or you'll die ... that's not limited to imminent terminal cancer situations.
    I love how everythign will get better faster if you quit smoking. I would go to the doc for like falling and bumping my head and he'd say "you would heal faster if you don't smoke. and this wouldn't have happened if yuo didn't smoke" etc
    Nah, I don't really know. It's an interesting question, though.

    BTW, I believe only 14-15% of smokers actually get lung cancer. You'd have to broaden the scope and include smoking related illnesses.
    good point
    hahaha owned

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    I quit after smoking for about 25 years or so ... just because I felt like it, and I know lots of other people that have, too. So yeah, people kick the addiction all the time. Jacking the price up the last time, though, was a big motivator for me ... I can't lie.

    Everytime you see a doctor they'll tell you to quit smoking or you'll die ... that's not limited to imminent terminal cancer situations.
    Nice job! My Dad smoked for 45 years and 6-7 years ago they told him straight up,"You will die within a year if you don't stop today". He did and it was tough on him. He has a clean bill of health from the doctors. He is 66 years old and doesn't have lung cancer,breathing problems, his heart is now in good shape thanks to a simple operation. He is in good shape.

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