Barkley: "We can't judge the Spurs until they get Ginobili back."

[Spursfan092120]

Manu just announced in his facebook he is playing some minutes against atlanta!!!!

[HarlemHeat37]

only some idiots on this forum would think otherwise..

Barkley isn't the smartest guy, but he's using common sense here..also, Barkley always shows a lot of love to the Spurs, so I don't know where some people are coming from..he HAS picked us in years past, he's said Pop is the best coach in the L, and he's said Duncan is the greatest PF of all-time..

our D has been elite for over a month now..our offense is the problem..Manu is a 15-20 PPG guy that also creates plays for his teammates, and sparks the team..having Manu as the ball handler off the bench also solves the problem with Mason, which has been the major flaw in our bench lately..

it's common sense..there's a reason we're 29-9 with Manu in the lineup, or whatever the record is..

[Baseline]

Hey, have it ever dawned on you gys that Manu may never get heathy again. I mean, this is two full years this guy has been struggling with this injury. He wont be 100% come playoff time thats for sure. Im just saying...

Has it ever dawned on you morons that you worship a rapist like he's Joe DiMaggio, and that you have a "legendary" big man who is so physically unstable that he makes Sam Bowie look like Cal Ripken, Jr. ?

[crc21209]

Manu just announced in his facebook he is playing some minutes against atlanta!!!!

yeah!

[Capt Bringdown]

Manu hasn't been healthy, nor has he played very smart this year, forcing things too much and showing more "El Turnover" than "El Contusion."

Yet one might think Larry Bird and Jordan were about to return to the Spurs lineup the way some people are carrying on. What the Spurs need right now is a steadying, consistent performer, and that ain't Manu. For every spastic scoring explosion game he produces, there's a string of turnover-laden brickfests. He's way over-rated IMO.

[santymrc]

Manu hasn't been healthy, nor has he played very smart this year, forcing things too much and showing more "El Turnover" than "El Contusion."

Yet one might think Larry Bird and Jordan were about to return to the Spurs lineup the way some people are carrying on. What the Spurs need right now is a steadying, consistent performer, and that ain't Manu. For every spastic scoring explosion game he produces, there's a string of turnover-laden brickfests. He's way over-rated IMO.

Hahahahahaha
That was a joke wasn't it?
Keep the good work men, you're awesome

[Capt Bringdown]

That was a joke wasn't it?

Hasn't there been a history of over-rating Manu? I recall the laughable comparisons to Kobe.
He's an important piece - whatever he has left, we'll need him, but he's not the best or most important player on the Spurs, so I'm not sure why we can't judge the Spurs as they are right now.

[HarlemHeat37]

I don't know if the post above mine was a joke..

it's pretty simple..

even ignoring the obvious talent that Manu brings..our system is entirely centered around the big 3..they're the ONLY guys on this team that can consistently create plays for the team..right now we only have 2 of them, and our bench has NOBODY to fill the role..

ignoring the impact of a 15-20 PPG scorer that can create plays for his teammates, spark the offense, provides heart, and creates turnovers..that makes a lot of sense..

[Manu-of-steel]

Hasn't there been a history of over-rating Manu? I recall the laughable comparisons to Kobe.
He's an important piece - whatever he has left, we'll need him, but he's not the best or most important player on the Spurs, so I'm not sure why we can't judge the Spurs as they are right now.

i'm a manu fan, and i'm not saying he's the best player of the spurs because it's not spurs-like for someone to dominate the scoring without regards to other teammates. you've been trying to grab some attention by downplaying what manu brings to this team. only a stupidfool will not appreciate manu's impact on this team.

[jrmp317]

Hey, have it ever dawned on you gys that Manu may never get heathy again. I mean, this is two full years this guy has been struggling with this injury. He wont be 100% come playoff time thats for sure. Im just saying...

but Bynum will recover no questions asked right? I mean knee problems aren't a big deal.

[Go For Tree]

When Manu comes back; on paper the Spurs look good.

I worry about Tim's knees, TP's ability to play through his fatigue that he will surely have, and also I don't rely on Ginobili being healthy.

So we'll see what happens though.

why do you assume tony will be fatigued? just because hes having his 2nd career year in a row and working everyone he lines up against doesnt mean hes overextending himself. hes still only 26 ( be 27 in the po's) and since manu has been out his minutes per game havent really fluctuated. hes the most steady piece on this team this year. prob for the next 4 years.

[Bukefal]

He'll be back tomorrow night or Friday.

I really hope so, we need him !!

[Agloco]

Heard it as well. Strange that Big Mouth Chucky didn't bad mouth the city or one of our arenas. Little Markie Cuban must pay Chucky to say bad things about SA since his lowly Mavs can't win the big one and SA does.

As much as I've seen, Charles is pretty much a Spurs nuthugger.

[Agloco]

Hasn't there been a history of over-rating Manu? I recall the laughable comparisons to Kobe.
He's an important piece - whatever he has left, we'll need him, but he's not the best or most important player on the Spurs, so I'm not sure why we can't judge the Spurs as they are right now.

I don't know if the post above mine was a joke..

it's pretty simple..

even ignoring the obvious talent that Manu brings..our system is entirely centered around the big 3..they're the ONLY guys on this team that can consistently create plays for the team..right now we only have 2 of them, and our bench has NOBODY to fill the role..

ignoring the impact of a 15-20 PPG scorer that can create plays for his teammates, spark the offense, provides heart, and creates turnovers..that makes a lot of sense..

Hopefully it was, or it qualifies as one of the most shortsighted posts I've seen in these parts. Manu singlehandedly solves the backup PG problem and along with that the woefully inadequate play of the second unit. Everyone is gonna start busting nuts over how Finley, Bonner and Mason all of a sudden play so much better when he's on the court.

As for having 2 out of the big 3? I'd say closer to 1.7 out of the big 3.

[galvatron3000]

Charles has been giving love since atleast 2003 when he predicted the Spurs to win the le after they dethroned the Lakers which he predicted as well. Saying that Manu, Bowen and Jackson would be too much for Kobe because the Spurs could put all those guys on Kobe during stretches. Kobe cried and the Spurs went on to win the le. lol

[lakerhtrkev]

Lets not jump off a cliff just yet!we should be 100% come playoff time.Every team has problems, even phil and the rapist are dealing with some problems.capt bringdown you are one dumb son of a !!

[Spursmania]

Hey, have it ever dawned on you gys that Manu may never get heathy again. I mean, this is two full years this guy has been struggling with this injury. He wont be 100% come playoff time thats for sure. Im just saying...

What he has now is 100% recoverable. My spouse is an MD here in San Antonio and knows some of the Docs who review the Spurs films and gives them opinions, etc...

Manu just had a stress reaction to his right fibula. Once the bone heals, it's 100%. His bone is now healed. So, really at least with this injury there is no long term effect that he will have. He's ready. As far as how many injuries he'll have in the future, your guess is as good as anybody else's.

[Rummpd]

http://www.82games.com/CSORT11.HTM

Last year Ginobili was the 4th most productive clutch player in the league and I have seen other statistics where he outperforms even Bryant in the last quarter on a regular basis, while I do not put him on Bryant's level as a superstar, he is a true international star and a champion on mulitiple stages, and a huge addition back to the Spurs, period

[Spursmania]

I think Manu plays tonight. I heard something about Pop preferring to bring him back at a non-home game. Maybe he's afraid Manu will go berserk and try too many dunks.

I like Barkely, and I have heard him be positive about the Spurs for the most part. He's a straight shooter. He calls it like he sees it. Of course, he's right about Manu being a huge part of the team.

All the Spurs fans that are ready to jump off a cliff might just want to take a chill pill and see how the rest of the games play out with Manu back in the rotation. I agree with ST member Agloco that all of a sudden Bonner and other players are going to look better once Manu is back.

[Rummpd]

GINOBILI TOP VALUE PERFORMER GUARD IN NBA IN THE 4TH by this writer!
http://www.jbomb.com/top-10-clutch-n...lue-for-money/


Have you ever wondered why people hate Starbury a lot? It’s because he has the worst value for money player in the NBA - He is paid a lotta dough, with questionable performance (and professionalism) - Sorry, Stephon!

On the contrary, I found the top 10 list of NBA players that shine in the 4th quarters, and often be the rock star of the game result changing - and deserved to be paid more (lucky for the NBA teams that contract them!).

Here is the list, consisting of 4 guards, 4 forwards, and 2 centers.

Please note, the percentage of shots that were made during the last five minutes of the fourth quarter and in overtime last season when neither team was ahead by more than five points.

Guards
Manu Ginobili, San Antonio Spurs
Clutch-time shooting percentage: 57.4, 2007-08 pay: $9.1 million, age/years in league: 31/6
Steve Nash, Phoenix Suns
Clutch-time shooting percentage: 50.8, 2007-08 pay: $11.4 million, age/years in league: 34/12
Kobe Bryant, Los Angeles Lakers
Clutch-time shooting percentage: 44.8, 2007-08 pay: $19.5 million, Age/years in league: 30/12
Andre Iguodala, Philadelphia Sixers
Clutch-time shooting percentage: 48.5, 2007-08 pay: $2.8 million, Age/years in league: 25/4


IN REALITY THE VALUE TO THE SPURS OF MANU IS IMMEASUREABLE AS WHEN HEALTHY HE CAN DOMINATE A GAME AT A SUPERSTAR LEVEL AND HAS IN THE PLAYOFFS!

[Rummpd]

No, no my friend. I have no faith in Bynum coming back and helping the Lakers, but Im not new to this sport. Ankles and knees are tough injuries on the body. Manu has some miles on his body, and maybe the best thing for this guy to do is sit out and really let his ankles heal. Rushing back when hes not needed is just going to make his injuries worse, (Arenas, Grant Hill.)


With Manu's style of play, he should concider his future and just really shut it down until next season. I know the Spurs fans are like THAT, but it may be the best thing for the team in the long run, especially since its a foregone conclusion that the Lakers will beat them anyway... not just talking smack either.

Thats just my take.

B.S. to that foregone conclusion - a healthy Spurs team rightfully scares LAL fans that are knowledgeable period. LAL is still the team that choked the finals away in historic fashion and Bryant has yet to lead this team to a championship sans Shaq so nothing is guaranteed! You got a gift call last year that stole a game and in the playoffs wierd things happen all the time.

Spurs have 3 top players with 10 championships between them and are ramping up their defense so watch out LAL.

[silverblackfan]

Mmmm. I love me some Laker trash talk. "Keep Manu out for the season to rest his ankles...". You wish. As if anyone could keep a healthy Manu from playing... Pop would lose all his hair trying to keep that jeanie bottled up.
I am stoked to know that Manu is going to come back to add that 3rd dimension. Once he gets his rhythm back and Gooden gets on the same page, there will be a lot less scoring droughts and missed defensive plays. That means bad news for the opponents in the playoffs.

[jrmp317]

No, no my friend. I have no faith in Bynum coming back and helping the Lakers, but Im not new to this sport. Ankles and knees are tough injuries on the body. Manu has some miles on his body, and maybe the best thing for this guy to do is sit out and really let his ankles heal. Rushing back when hes not needed is just going to make his injuries worse, (Arenas, Grant Hill.)


With Manu's style of play, he should concider his future and just really shut it down until next season. I know the Spurs fans are like THAT, but it may be the best thing for the team in the long run, especially since its a foregone conclusion that the Lakers will beat them anyway... not just talking smack either.

Thats just my take.

I agree that he should be given enough time to rest. He was orginally supposed to be out for 3 weeks tops, and it's now been around 5 weeks and 19 games that he has missed. Ginobili and the staff and been patient with him this time around (unlike earlier in the season) so if they believe he is good to go, then so be it.

[JWest596]

Jail will do that to you.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

I think Manu's been out so much this season some of you have forgotten that he tends to go through stretches where he plays like .