Fox Sports: Spurs No Longer Duncan's Team

[DAF86]

Both.

But the fact is, Tony is the best player on this team now. I don't understand why that's so difficult for some to realize/admit. It's not going to sting or cause you pain, nor to Tim.

What you aren't seeing is that I'm not taking a shot at Parker I'm beign respectful with the greastest PF to ever play the game. Of course I would love to have both, but I asked you who would rather have if you could only pick one, I think the answer to this question responds the question: Who's team is this? And I still think is Tims.

P/D: Please try to ignore my Argie flag. I'm not a Parker hater.

[mookie2001]

im trying to think back to the last time i saw manu in the playoffs

let me google it

[Amuseddaysleeper]

im trying to think back to the last time i saw manu in the playoffs

let me google it

Try the 2008 playoffs.

He hit the game winner against the Suns before the buzzer in game 1 that changed the entire series. (Obviously Duncan's 3 was huge, but Manu sealed the deal).

Tony will be greatly limited should the Spurs face the Lakers as Phil knows how to keep him out of th elane better than anyone and expose his weaknesses.

If your'e gonna blame Manu for not being healthy in the Laker series then why didn't Tony put us over the top?

[kace]

Let me answer my question: Last season when Manu lead this team in scoring in the regular season and I was one of the first saying that it was ridiculous to say any other thing that: "the Spurs are Tim's team"

Now if you ask me who is the MVP of the Spurs this season: there's no denying that is Tony (like I said in many other threads this year, so I don't know where you get this Parker irritation)

you cant' compare manu's situation with tony's one. (hope it won't become a manu vs tp thread).

manu is about the same age as Tim, and there's no clue he will maintain his level later than Tim. it's rather the contrary. so, i guess it's hard to argue that manu could be our MVP since his best years coincide with Tim's ones.

in the same reasoning, i couldn't think of tony's being considered the best spurs if Tim was in his prime. Tim was just too good to not be the best player. but with tony going into his best years, and increasing his level year after year, and Tim having his best years behind him, the question of tony being our best player makes sense.

anyway, i still think that Tim and even manu can reach a very high level in any given games.

but it's still Tim's team for others reasons. Tim has more leadership outside the court. and he's a big man. he can dominate in offense and in defense, on the boards, etc etc. so, i agree it's Tim's team and will be for more years.

but the question of another leader has never been so accurate considering tony's level this year. and that's a good thing for the spurs that the question could even be asked.

[DAF86]

im trying to think back to the last time i saw manu in the playoffs

let me google it

Look for the leading scorer and assister of the team in the last playoffs series we won.

[mookie2001]

sorry the last time i remember manu in the playoffs he was shaming his country, destroying his legacy and making true spurs fans around the world want to cut their balls off to take the pain way

[DAF86]

you cant' compare manu's situation with tony's one. (hope it won't become a manu vs tp thread).

manu is about the same age as Tim, and there's no clue he will maintain his level later than Tim. it's rather the contrary. so, i guess it's hard to argue that manu could be our MVP since his best years coincide with Tim's ones.

in the same reasoning, i couldn't think of tony's being considered the best spurs if Tim was in his prime. Tim was just too good to not be the best player. but with tony going into his best years, and increasing his level year after year, and Tim having his best years behing him, the question of tony being our best player makes sense.

anyway, i stuill think that Tim and even manu can reach a very high level in any given games.

but it's still Tim's team for others reasons. Tim has more leadership outside the court. and he's a big man. he can dominate in offense and in defense, on the boards, etc etc. so, i agree it's Tim's team and will be for more years.

but the question of another leader has never been so accurate considering tony's level this year. and that's a good thing for the spurs that the question could even be asked.

That's all I'm saying.

[DPG21920]

sorry the last time i remember manu in the playoffs he was shaming his country, destroying his legacy and making true spurs fans around the world want to cut their balls off to take the pain way

Shhhhhhh.

[lefty]

it seems really hard for you to accept Tony's predominance in Spurs offensive game as you always come with this kind of comments about him.

not straight hate, but surely some irritation about tony.

i don't know how many times you heard it before, i think not so much, but anyway, it hasn't ever seemed so true that's it could be tony's team. so, the argument could be valid.

and just in case you didn't notice, Tony was our 2007 finals MVP and was arguably our best PO player last year. the RS argument doesn't work.


Anyway, i still think it's Tim's team for different reasons as i wrote in my previous post, but i noticed your quickness to be the party poppers in Tony's praising threads.

Are you overreacting or what ?


TP is great, he has carried us so far, but he will never be THE MAN in the playoffs.

Especially since Phil Jackson has been toying with him.

Parker = All star

Duncan = Legend

[kace]

sorry the last time i remember manu in the playoffs he was shaming his country, destroying his legacy and making true spurs fans around the world want to cut their balls off to take the pain way

i can remember manu making me crazy with some dumb plays (TO or fouls), disappointing me being not able to perform at a high level (often because of health issue), but i really can't ever remember him shaming any of his fans (argentine or spurs). there's a lot of times where he made us proud though.

but why are you turning it into a "bashing manu" thing ? even if some posters seem so annoyed with tony's accolades.

[Buddy Holly]

What you aren't seeing is that I'm not taking a shot at Parker I'm beign respectful with the greastest PF to ever play the game. Of course I would love to have both, but I asked you who would rather have if you could only pick one, I think the answer to this question responds the question: Who's team is this? And I still think is Tims.

Let's be honest with ourselves, Tim now isn't the Tim of a few years ago, he's barely the Tim of of last year. Injuries and age are taking their toll on the big man and yes, he's still effective and yes he's still one of the best but Parker has stepped his play up to another level this season, a level that has him carrying this team in many many games. For all that, imo, it's more his team now than it is Tim's. Can that change? Yes.

[rayray2k8]

In the regular season it's Parkers team, but in the playoffs
it's gonna be Duncan's team.

[Bruno]

The main reason why Spurs have been successful in 05 and 07 was because the big 3, especially Tim, have been smart enough to realize that their best shot to win rings was to share the ball.

I find it ridiculous to see that Spurs fans are still in the "this is X's team" mode.

[DPG21920]

Lets not ruin what a good season TP has had by doing this. I made the mistake earlier. You do not have to knock someone down in order to elevate someone else. Tony has had a spectacular year and TD has been fantastic; his current injuries are recent, so that is what is on people's minds.

Spurs need them both, they need Ginobili. Together, they run this team.

The main reason why Spurs have been successful in 05 and 07 was because the big 3, especially Tim, have been smart enough to realize that their best shot to win rings was to share the ball.

I find it ridiculous to see that Spurs fans are still in the "this is X's team" mode.

[spursfan09]

Let me ask you this: Who would you rather have for the playoffs? Duncan or Parker?

Duncan because he's a hall of famer.

Thank god we don't have to choose though right? They are both Spurs.

And to be honest, we are not going anywhere without Parker either.

[Lady M]

Manu in the playoffs >>> Tony in the playoffs

Gimme a break

since 2005 PO
after Tony made better PO

[Brutalis]

April Fools Day is still 2 days away. You made this thread a bit early, brah.

[NFGIII]

The argument to me is really immaterial. Frankly I don't think either one cares who's team people think this is. We need both for what they bring to the table. Ditto Manu. This season TP has been our best player but without TD on the floor his opportunities would be much less. That is one of the intangibles that TD brings - the double teams that can be taken advantage of and the spacing it brings. TP needs the space in order to set up his man and then blow by him. I think TP understands this and appreciates that or at least I would hope so.

TD is the heart of this team and without his 20/10 this team isn't going anywhere regardless of how many points TP scores. Both understand this and feed off one another. Ain't no I in team.

[jackseven]

Parker is the superstar/MVP of the team now. You can call it Duncan's team out of respect, his legendary status, his hall of fame career, but Parker is carrying this team. If the Spurs advance to the Western finals, it will be on Parker's shoulders.

[kace]

This season TP has been our best player but without TD on the floor his opportunities would be much less. That is one of the intangibles that TD brings - the double teams that can be taken advantage of and the spacing it brings. TP needs the space in order to set up his man and then blow by him. I think TP understands this and appreciates that or at least I would hope so.

i definitely don't agree.

i heard a lot of people trying to say that tony's, or manu's, greatness could come from Tim's presence. i say it's false.

and i guess the last games without tim on the court (and without manu), have shown that TP is even more impressive when he's the only star.

what Tim brings to this team is a chance to win it all. that's for sure. he made TP and Manu winning stars. but he didn't make them good players. i never bought that.

[DAF86]

Let's be honest with ourselves, Tim now isn't the Tim of a few years ago, he's barely the Tim of of last year. Injuries and age are taking their toll on the big man and yes, he's still effective and yes he's still one of the best but Parker has stepped his play up to another level this season, a level that has him carrying this team in many many games. For all that, imo, it's more his team now than it is Tim's. Can that change? Yes.

And I respect your opinion I just dissagree with it. I think this is still Tim's team for the simple fact that I'd feel a lot more confident with him in the middle guarding the paint at one end and getting high % shots for him and others at the other. Specially in the playoffs where the tempo of games slow down.

[DAF86]

i definitely don't agree.

i heard a lot of people trying to say that tony's, or manu's, greatness could come from Tim's presence. i say it's false.

and i guess the last games without tim on the court (and without manu), have shown that TP is even more impressive when he's the only star.

what Tim brings to this team is a chance to win it all. that's for sure. he made TP and Manu winning stars. but he didn't make them good players. i never bought that.

I agree with that.

[kace]

I agree with that.

i guess it's even easier to argue for manu, considering all that he has accomplished as the main man in Italy or with his national team.

well, anyway:

[DAF86]

Parker is the superstar/MVP of the team now. You can call it Duncan's team out of respect, his legendary status, his hall of fame career, but Parker is carrying this team. If the Spurs advance to the Western finals, it will be on Parker's shoulders.

We are not getting anywhere with either of the two out (neither if Manu's out) but in an encounter of the "Spurs with Tony" against the "Spurs with Tim" I'd bet all my money on Tim's team.

[Spurs Brazil]

It will always be TD team but Parker is the Spurs MVP so far