Is this war?
Listen I loved Malik as much as anyone, but the truth is Nazr's younger, taller and seemingly his upside is a lot more and he has shown flashes so far of being very good. Plus so far his at ude is right on!
Were you dissing him for his last game when he had a couple of blocks and nearly a double double? What the heck more do you want?
^I have to agree with the doctor on this one, the guy, when he actually gets some mintues (provided he isn't comitting stupid fouls) has the desire to be quite monsterous on the boards. Yes his shot isn't that of Malik's (and as I recall this wasn't the main reason we brought him over), but hes got size and paired next to Timmy or Rasho will do some damage. That being said I know we all miss Malik's smile and hustle, but hey at least his restaurant is still in the Quarry, and Nazr did make a very charitable and spurs-like donation if I'm not mistaken. I know, I know this dosen't make him a better player, but it shows he is a classy guy and should fit in well with this organization. As for health concerns? Well lets play that one by ear, shall we?
My bad, maybe I'll start a suck ass thread trying to put myself over as Nostradmus and telling everyone what a great prognosticator I am.
Nah, prolly not, because no one really gives a .too ing funny
Nah in all seriousness Nazr is not the second coming he may not even claim the starting spot. He should however be a contributer whether he starts or comes off the bench, he is a valuable assest to the team that can hopefully push both himself and Rasho past there current abilities.
Ok, first off, I never disliked Malik Rose. I loved him as a Spur and what he brought every game. I think Pop expected more from him because of how long he had been in the system here. To me, that is why he would ride the pine after a few bad games in a row.
Now why are we talking "Nazr suckz!!!" already Whottt? He played bad last night no doubt, but that was only for the ELEVEN minutes he was on the court. 4 minutes and 31 seconds of that was garbage time at the end of the fourth. I think it only makes sense to let the guy play a few games before you start chewing his ass.
Nazr has some good qualities...he is tough, a good rebounder, hustles, has a nose for the ball.....but he needs a lot of work. I look forward to his improvement after spending a summer with the staff. He will help in the playoffs, but right now he has important but limited skills
Did we lose?
Look, we got a guy who could start at center for half the teams in the league who looks like he's entering the prime of his career. Be happy.
The only critical fault that has been pointed out is that he isn't Malik. All this stuff about desire and Nazr not having it is pretty specious. Truth is you don't know what drives this guy. To me, it looks like his story is more similar to Malik's than some would care to acknowledge. He certainly doesn't need to apologize for playing on ty teams before he came here.
If you want to criticize the trade of Malik for Nazr because Nazr isn't the next Hakeem or an all-star that's going to be an easy argument to make. I must have missed the memo where Malik was an all-star though.
how many bad games did Malik have?
how many bad games did Malik have, AFTER 6 or 7 YEARS FULLY FAMILIAR WITH THE SPURS SYSTEM?
Whott's out to PROVE that the Malik-Nazr trade was a bust, a mistake. Infinite pissing threads to follow, for months, for years.
This is the most hyperbole-laden thread in the history of human communication.
With all due respect Spurm(I bet that is the first time in history anyone has uttered that particular expression), I am not the one engaging in excessive hyperbole.
The Nazr jockers were talking huge amounts of about his passing and jump shot, fouls...Guy makes one pass and they start acting like he is Stockton...the dude has a .3 career APG average...does that seem like a guy who makes a lot of passes to you? If he's making them then he definitely is a ty passer...he can't be a good and willing passer with .3 APG average...
Even funnier they act like the Spurs are going to bring his passing ability to it's full potential...um when exactly have the Spurs shown a knack for bringing out passing ability of players?
Ditto his J...all I had to see was him make one attempt and I realized I was looking at the man with the ugliest, no touch J in history.
And a dumb fouler is a dumb fouler...you don't think any of his other coaches have asked him to not make stupid fouls? I'd be willing to be that thought had crossed their minds on more than one occasion.
The guys were claiming he could pass and he could shoot...and frankly their credibility is shot(not that TPark had credibility anyway)...Aggie is a huge disappointment...he's obviously got some brains(as evidenced by his stance on Brent Barry), but he seems to be willing to crap them out as long as he gets to hate Malik Rose in the process.
To all the Nazr jockers...You guys can't read any better than you analyze flaws in a players game...I have not exactly been critical of the trade in itself, nor have I said anything I would qualify as Nazr hate. I am taking a wait and see approach...but again I say...Malik Rose was a better player than he is being given credit for from these haters.
It's true Malik spent much of the last 2 years on the bench, due to Pop having the Horry option more than any other reason.....but it's also true that the last time he was the main back up big we won a le..and he was a big reason for that.
Nazr is not the best player to ever play the game, but he's definately better for this team than Rose.
This season? For the purposes of winning a le? I argue that.
I'd say he's got the potential to be better than Malik...and he's an above average bigman in some aspects...
But I seriously question the wisdom of making this trade in the middle of a le pursuit. Malik's bad games get overblown...yes he could be inconsistent...and so are 99% of the other guys who spend most of their careers on the bench...that's the main reason they are on the bench.
But Malik knew the ins and outs of this teams systems better than anyone other than Tim Duncan...there is no way Nazr is going to have a handle on things as well as Malik did....It's impossible.
If we had an injury to Rasho or any other big Malik was capable of starting, and sometimes dominating...out of Rasho, Nazr and Horry...Malik has the best rebounding game and only Horry has had a better scoring game(and that was like 30 years ago)...and how many bad starts can you guys remember by Malik? How many bad playoff games? There weren't many. I can't think of a single bad playoff game by him.
Regardless of Nazr's talents...I question the wisdom of trading a player that knew the team as well as Malik did, this late in the season.
Now we are pretty much stuck with Horry, or a player with similar flaws to Malik without all the experience with the team and in the playoffs.....and I don't know about you guys but I sure as hope we don't see Miami in the finals...because I don't ever want to see Horry asked to guard Shaq again.
What good does all of Malik's knowledge of the ins and outs do the Spurs if he's riding the ing pine?
As for Shaq, I'm pretty sure we've got Massenberg, Rasho, and now Nazr around for that one.
Im not scared of Miami one bit.
Houston and Detroit are the only ones that scare me.
Watching the Knicks - Heat game the other night Shaq was played by Sweetney, Taylor and Rose. Nobody, including Taylor, let Shaq set up as deep in the paint as Rose did. Rose had one good pull the chair that's it. The idea that Rose can play Shaq ended three years ago when Rose dropped a lot of weight to gain mobility. Nazr can do a far better job, fouls included,on Shaq or on Yao than Rose can. That's why Nazr is much beeter for the Spurs to have this year.
Thanks pnr. The Rose colored glasses people just use the "Pop didn't put Rose on him because Rose wasn't playing" bull to excuse the last couple of years.
^^^ Amen.
(waits for the impending flames from whottt, RTD, and the other malik honks)
Malik's numbers when he was in the game against Shaq - 8 points(2-2 FT and 3-5) shooting) 1 assist, 1TO
Shaq's numbers: 7 points, 2 TO, 2 rebounds(1-2 FT and 3-5 shooting)
Looks to me like Malik held his own...
Why don't you haters post Nazr's numbers against Mike ing Olowokandi....I know I know, Nazr plays for a new team and Malik doesn't.
Nice try on saying Malik couldn't guard Shaq anymore...
But Malik guarded him extensively the last time we won a le.
He guarded Shaq extensively in the win at the end of the Rodeo Road Trip...and he guarded him in the playoffs...Granted, that was probably his least effective playoff performance against Shaq...but Shaq had his worst FG% and PPG avergage of the playoffs in that series...much like the previous two years...
Now last year...Shaq was going off at about 68% against us for most of that series...
IF you don't think Malik was effective against Shaq then you should be crapping your pants about how ineffective Rasho and Horry were against him.
Keep hating...it won't change the truth.
And BTW...I have read that Nazr actually does a good job against Shaq...but I'll wait and see if he does a better job than Malik...coming to a new team is not going to make it easier on him, that is for sure...
So I guess that means you guys think Rasho, Horry,..and it, even Duncan(who Shaq owns in every one of the few head to head match ups between them except for game 6 of the 2003 WCSF) do a better job against Shaq than Malik.
You are wrong...66% wrong. Haters.
oh, malik is a defensive monster.3-5 shooting
Watch the game not the score sheet. Much of the time Malik was in the game he wasn't guarding Shaq. Couple of times it was Taylor and Rose in and Taylor was the one guarding Shaq. Does that turn any light bulbs on for you?
Then I guess you can't say you know for sure Malik can't guard Shaq anymore since Malik wasn't guarding him. You certainly can't say it basing it on anything you saw on this team last year...and the previous year he did as good a job as anyone does against him.
Let me guess...last night Malik was only guarding Shaq when he scored right?
Anything else you want to toss out there?
That's a lower PCT than he shot against us for the entire playoff series last year...with Horry and Rasho pulling most of the minutes against him.
So stick up that up your ass and get smarter.
The one thing you've got to enjoy as a Spurs fan is the Spurs now have the ability to control the paint a higher percentage of their games. Unfortunately, shots don't change as much with Horry, Massenburg and Rose.
You guys are smart enough to know why this is true.
Robert Horry is a better shotblocker than Nazr Mohammed. I hope you are smart enough to know that.
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