What defines a human? Scientifically, DNA does.
It isnt about looks or abilities - its about scientifically proving something is human.
Tell me then - what species and order is a fetus?
At what point is a fetus not alive?
Tom, you can go round and round in circles on this. It's an unwinable debate or it would hav been decided by now. You said that it was alive due to unique DNA. That's false, unique DNA can be created in a lab environment.
What makes a fetus alive? It's as alive as any other part of the body. Being able to survive as it's own being outside of the mother, thats where it gains human rights.
I didn't say a damn thing, exept that.
BTW, Did LJ tell you that we sat about 10 people away from Priest Holmes? The one night I want the camera in my phone to take those 2 pictures and it's dead.
My oldest said his son was in a few of his classes in the beginning of the year. Then he got switched to a different team. (The grades are divided up by teams for those who were thinking otherwise...)
Humans share 90% of their DNA strands with dogs, cats, cows, and sheep. Does that make them mostly human and equally worthy of protection from harm? What separates humans is that we are satiate beings able to make competent, complex decisions and not just adhere to our most natural instincts.What defines a human? Scientifically, DNA does.
Which would mean that we could actually kill babies, under the abortion stance, until 4 or 5 months. Until then, they live by instinct.
As the law stands right now, doctors won't do an abortion after the first trimester (12 weeks) unless the woman's life is in danger for fear of getting sued or losing his medicl license.
No - I said that DNA proves that a fetus is a human. It is alive due to the fact that it is not dead.
Not true at all. Someone on lifesupport has all the rights of a human, but they are not capable of life on their own. Life function on your own doesnt make you human or alive, because you can be both without life function on your own.What makes a fetus alive? It's as alive as any other part of the body. Being able to survive as it's own being outside of the mother, thats where it gains human rights.
And a newborn baby cannot survive without outside care anymore than a fetus can. That doesnt make it not a human or not alive.
Because something is similar, doesnt make them the same. Pigs are very similar to humans genetically, but they arent humans genetically. A fetus IS a human genetically. There is a huge difference and if you cant see it, it shows the lack of rational critical thought necessary to be a contributing member of society.Humans share 90% of their DNA strands with dogs, cats, cows, and sheep. Does that make them mostly human and equally worthy of protection from harm?
Obviously this is not true, because a invalid vegatable has all the rights as you do. Someone mentally handicapped enough to not be able to make those competent, complex decisions are still considered human and given every right afforded to any other human.What separates humans is that we are satiate beings able to make competent, complex decisions and not just adhere to our most natural instincts.
State-by-state basis.As the law stands right now, doctors won't do an abortion after the first trimester (12 weeks) unless the woman's life is in danger for fear of getting sued or losing his medicl license.
I love shutting you ignorant fools up with the facts.
You're taking special cir stances and trying to proove something by them. The only thing you are prooving is that there are exceptions to every rule.
Well, thanks Professor Tom.
Now, the million dollar question is that if the facts are so far in your corner as you as you want to believe why is it that the overwhelming majority of the scientific and medical communities are running to congress to declare abortion illegal?
Umm...good job. Proving my point.Obviously this is not true, because a invalid vegatable has all the rights as you do. Someone mentally handicapped enough to not be able to make those competent, complex decisions are still considered human and given every right afforded to any other human.
When a species can make decisions to fight to live, this qualifies them as satient beings and thus represents life, given the choice, even the most handicapped person will fight to live, but as in the case of Terry Siavo, if they are determined to be so criticially brain damaged, with no hope of ever even partially recovering, their legal rights to even continue existing can and should be assigned to the closes living relative - in Siavo's case, her husband.
No I'm not. I am proving that your definition of alive and human are faulty because they do not work.You're taking special cir stances and trying to proove something by them
I can't answer for anyone else. I know plenty of scientists and doctors that disagree with abortion.Now, the million dollar question is that if the facts are so far in your corner as you as you want to believe why is it that the overwhelming majority of the scientific and medical communities are running to congress to declare abortion illegal?
The real million dollar question is why havent you been able to dispute any of my facts.
Satient is not a word. What are you trying to say? If you mean sentient, it means having sense perception, which a fetus has in the first trimester. If you mean something else that fits, I couldnt figure it out.When a species can make decisions to fight to live, this qualifies them as satient beings
Are you aware that there are videos of abortion procedures where the fetus is fighting to get away from the suction device?and thus represents life, given the choice, even the most handicapped person will fight to live
Tom, you have no facts. You have your opinion on when a human is actually a human and when it has seperate rights from the mother, but that view is not legaly recognized.
DNA proves that many things come from a human, but that is it.No - I said that DNA proves that a fetus is a human. It is alive due to the fact that it is not dead.
If you want facts, here is one for you. The fetus is not legaly alive and abortion is not murder.
The day a 3 week old fetus can survive outside of the womb of the mother is the day I'll consider it a seperate human.
You can compare it to a person on life support, but as far as I know, thats not inside of a mothers womb.
You have to rely on law, because you cant draw your conclusions from the facts.The fetus is not legaly alive and abortion is not murder.
The facts are there. A fetus is at no point dead. At no point is it anything but human. If you want to disagree with that, tell me what the fetus is scientifically.
Since you have absolutely no logical answer to those, you have to just rely on "it doesnt count because RvW said so."
A 3 week old new born cannot survive without constant attention either.The day a 3 week old fetus can survive outside of the womb of the mother is the day I'll consider it a seperate human.
Why would you want to be a late adopter? Drag your feet behind in the face of facts? It is entirely possible that someday they will have external incubation tanks for babies, and if they are in those, it wont make them any less human. Sure, its a long stretch, but everything we have now would have never been believed 100 years ago.
You are taking the side of convienence over the side with the facts. Sad.
I compared it for the express stated reason that being a full-functioning human capable of all capacities known by most people is not a pre-requisite for defining them as an alive human and affording them rights as such.You can compare it to a person on life support, but as far as I know, thats not inside of a mothers womb.
Not inside the womb.A 3 week old new born cannot survive without constant attention either.
The fact remains that a first trimester fetus can't do that.
Let me know when thats not a fact.
YOu still havent answered why it matters what stage of development the baby is at. It is still alive, and it is still a human.
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