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If the Spurs play Houston the Spurs will take it in a tough 5 games.
With Yao hurt it totally tips the scales in the Spurs favor.
Plus we could have a Spurstalk roadie to HOuston to watch game 3 or 4.
Bring on Houston
No, it is correct and current, good for ESPN.
all three have records of 52-28, but Spurs are division leader because their division record is 9-6 and Houston's division record is 8-6. Portland isn't winning their divison. So, since division leader (first way to break a 3 way tie) is the Spurs, Spurs are #3 seed.
Houston owns the tiebreaker against Portland because of 2-1 head to head games and this is the first way to break the remaining 2 way tie.
So, all good !
If the Spurs play Houston the Spurs will take it in a tough 5 games.
With Yao hurt it totally tips the scales in the Spurs favor.
Plus we could have a Spurstalk roadie to HOuston to watch game 3 or 4.
Bring on Houston
But if Houston wins out, the Rockets get the 3 seed (or two with another Denver loss).No, it is correct and current, good for ESPN.
all three have records of 52-28, but Spurs are division leader because their division record is 9-6 and Houston's division record is 8-6. Portland isn't winning their divison. So, since division leader (first way to break a 3 way tie) is the Spurs, Spurs are #3 seed.
Houston owns the tiebreaker against Portland because of 2-1 head to head games and this is the first way to break the remaining 2 way tie.
So, all good !
So, what will determine everything is who beats New Orleans. If we beat them and Houston doesn't, then we would win the division.
Houston has to beat New Orleans (but in Houston) and beat Dallas in Dallas.
We must beat Golden State at Golden State and then New Orleans in San Antonio.
I think that Houston has the tougher schedule.
If we both win out, then we will have even division and conference records and so it will go to records against playoff teams in the West, then records against playoff teams in the East, then point differential.
I believe that Houston has the better record against playoff teams in the West.
However, I have not looked at this. And it will take a little time (a lot of school stuff due - end of semester) .
Houston is more likely to lose both games than to win both games.
The most likely scenario is that they win one of the two remaining games.
Chris Paul had 30 something points, 17 assists and around 9 rebounds in their win tonight. And the pick and roll is not something that Yao can defend. On the other hand, it is a back to back on the road (but not a long flight).
And Dallas does not want to play LA in the first round.
I'm not saying that because I'm a Spurs fan (obviously I am), but it appears the more realistic outcome.
Last edited by Mavs<Spurs; 04-13-2009 at 12:05 AM.
Spurs fans:
Games that matter for the Spurs tonight include the Hornets v. Houston. A Hornet win helps two ways. In addition to the obvious benefit of Houston loss, a win for the Hornets guarantees that they cannot fall to the 8 seed and so would have little or nothing to play for in the last game against the Spurs.
Also root for Cleveland to wrap up HCA thru the NBA finals with a win tonight against Indiana. A Cleveland win tonight makes the Laker season finale tomorrow against Utah a meaningless game for the Lakers. A win by Utah tomorrow makes the Dallas/Houston game on Wednesday critical to the Mavs to avoid the 8 seed. If Utah loses tomorrow, the Mavs will clinch a spot in the 6th or 7th seed and have little to play for against Houston.
Please bump this thread again after tonight's game as you know we all have our eyes on the seedings now. And thanks for making this thread, very coolbump myself because a number of people were asking about the playoff seeding situation at the end of the game tonight !
I always enjoy your posts too Mel_13
Can't wait for tonight's games!!
The worst the Spurs, Rockets and Blazers can do is the sixth seed. One of us has to play each other. unless of course..the Nuggets flame out.
So long as LA ends up in Portland's bracket for the 1st 2 rounds and the Spurs end up in the other.
There was a thread early in the year with predictions for the Spurs final wins/losses. I don't remember if there was a prize attached. It would be interesting to see where everyone who participated stands.My predictions:
Lakers - 2-0
Denver - 1-1 (losing to Portland)
Houston - 0-2
Portland - 3-0
S.A. - 2-1 (losing to GS)
New Orleans - 2-1 (losing to SA)
Dallas - 1-2 (losing to NO/Hou)
Utah - 2-1 (losing to Lakers)
I have no idea how that will make the seeds end up though
Mouse remove this defiling picture. Or put an ashtray or something on Kobmes head.
As i print this, Houston (now 9-6) just beat New Orleans, Spurs are ahead in the Golden game.No, it is correct and current, good for ESPN.
all three have records of 52-28, but Spurs are division leader because their division record is 9-6 and Houston's division record is 8-6. Portland isn't winning their divison. So, since division leader (first way to break a 3 way tie) is the Spurs, Spurs are #3 seed.
Houston owns the tiebreaker against Portland because of 2-1 head to head games and this is the first way to break the remaining 2 way tie.
So, all good !
So for the season the Spurs have one one more conference game then Houston, hence if both win out the Spurs will win the Division due to 11-6 being better then 10-6? I'll bet that will fry Houston towards the schedulemaker.
At the end of the season both teams will have 16 division games and 52 conference games.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/standings
I think that you are accidentally confusing division and conference. Division is the smaller group of teams.
Our game tonight isn't a division game. So, our record if we beat New Orleans Wednesday night in the division will be 10-6 since our current division record is 9-6.
Houston's last game is against Dallas, an in division opponent. So, if they win that game they will also have a 10-6 division record.
Both teams have identical conference records right now. So, if we both win out, we will have identical conference records at the end of the season.
So, the next tiebreaker would be record against Western Conference Playoff teams. Unfortunately, Houston has the better record against Western Conference Playoff teams.
So, if Portland, San Antonio and Houston win out, the first way to break the 3 way tiebreaker is to find who won their division. Portland didn't win their division. So, it would have to be between San Antonio and Houston. And since all the previous ways of breaking the 2 way tie between San Antonio and Houston didn't resolve the tie, we go to the criteria who has the better record against Western Conference Playoff teams.
And as I just mentioned, the team with the better record against Western Conference Playoff teams is Houston.
So, Houston would be the division leader. Thus, Houston would get the #3 seed.
Then, the tie between Portland and San Antonio would have to be broken according to the 2 way tiebreaker rules. Portland wins that 2 way tiebreaker. Thus, Portland would be the #4 seed. San Antonio would have the #5 seed.
And we would not have home court advantage any round in the playoffs.
Okay, so it is up to Dallas to beat Houston in Dallas on Wednesday night.
If we can beat New Orleans in San Antonio on Wednesday night and Dallas beats Houston in Dallas on Wednesday night, we end up with the number three seed.
If anything else happens, we end up with no better than the fourth seed. The only way for us to get the fourth seed is if we end up with a better record than Portland. So, we must win and they must lose for us to get the fourth seed (presuming Houston wins their last game) since Portland holds the 2 way tiebreaker against us.
Other than that, we end up with the fifth seed.
Dallas does have a strong motive to want to beat Houston. They will have to play the Lakers in the first round if the Jazz win and they lose because the Jazz hold the 2 way tiebreaker against the Mavericks.
Avoiding the Lakers would be a strong motive. Also, in their favor is the fact that this game will be at home and some commentators have said that their recent play has picked it up a level.
Please bump this thread again after tonight's game as you know we all have our eyes on the seedings now. And thanks for making this thread, very cool
Thank you for the kind words !
I always enjoy your posts too Mel_13
Can't wait for tonight's games!!
Beat New Orleans, Spurs !
And _allas must beat Houston in Dallas !
The Mavs do not want the Lakers in the first round... they will crush Houston on Wednesday.
If that happens it will be Spurs (3) vs Mavs (6) !
I'm not sure i want a healthy Mavs team against the Spurs without Manu.
If the Lakers beat Utah tomorrow night, then Dallas will finish 6th or 7th whether they win or lose on Wednesday.
I'm also expecting a Mavs win..
I want the 4th seed and Houston though..I feel like Dallas would be a tougher matchup for us..
But if the Lakers beat Utah the night before, Dallas can mail it in against the Rockets and still avoid the 8 seed.
Let's face it, the great liklihood is that the Spurs won't even get one series with the home court advantage. I'm afraid the Spurs miscalculated ever so slightly but ever so disastrously.
Anyway . . .
On Wednesday 3 games will eb important for Spurs future playoff opponent :
Houston at Dallas
New Orleans at San Antonio
Denver at Portland
If Houston win, Spurs will face Blazers. Spurs will only have the HCA if they win and Blazers lost their last game.
If Houston lost and Spurs win, Spurs will face Dallas with HCA.
If both Spurs and Rockets lost, Spurs will face Portland if Blazers also lost. If Blazers win, Spurs will face Houston. Spurs won't have HCA in both cases.
Dallas can still get the 6th seed..so they'll be playing hard either way..
I'm just hoping for a Houston loss, I don't care what else happens..
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