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    He might get minutes tommarow night.

    Doubtfull though.


    Beno Udrih ruined George Hill's chances.
    I don't think Beno necessarily ruined his chances. Most intelligent coaches will tell you that you can't really rely or trust a rookie in the playoffs.

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    Hill is a rookie and Pop likes to go with Vets @ playoff time. I think that Hill will get his minutes next year. Probably in 2011 he will move up when a veteran guard retires, is traded or leaves.

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    Shortening the rotation for the playoffs is a standard move - however, Pop's getting too cute with it.

    When you don't have a full complement of players, you might just have to go a little bit farther down your rotation - that's also also standard basketball 101, isn't it?
    It looks like this year's playoff rotation will already be longer than Pop has typically used in recent years. He has typically used 7+ man rotation, with 3 players at the 4/5, three players at the 2/3, Tony playing major minutes and a backup pg playing very limited minutes.

    This year it looks like he will play 9 deep with TD, Bonner, KT and Drew inside and Tony, Mason, Fin, Bruce and Ime on the perimeter. The 5th big (Oberto) and the 6th/7th perimeter players (Hill/JV) won't get much PT.

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    John Lucas > Pop

    Yeah Fabbs we got it, you hate pop because he ran over your dog.

    Time to move on.
    Suggesting Parker gets proper rest is a bad idea to you. Stoopid.
    Already one poster stated Duncan was seen seriously looking at Parkers ankle near games end.

    Your and Humps oversensitivity and jumping to the defense of anything any poster writes which is less then glittery and glowing for Lord Poppy is what's time to move.

    Nice of you to take a break and post tho.

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    Suggesting Parker gets proper rest is a bad idea to you. Stoopid.
    Already one poster stated Duncan was seen seriously looking at Parkers ankle near games end.

    Your and Humps oversensitivity and jumping to the defense of anything any poster writes which is less then glittery and glowing for Lord Poppy is what's time to move.

    Nice of you to take a break and post tho.

    When you decide to write like an adult let me know.

    Second, Parker was gonna play a load of minutes because Duncan and Ginobili were out tonight.

    Get a ing clue.

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    Hill is a rookie and Pop likes to go with Vets @ playoff time. I think that Hill will get his minutes next year. Probably in 2011 he will move up when a veteran guard retires, is traded or leaves.

    I see Hill taking the combo guard role that Mason has now starting next year.

    Hopefully this offseason he works on his jumper, gets it more consistent and plays great in summer league.

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    Didn't we work this out about 2 weeks ago?

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    I don't think Beno necessarily ruined his chances. Most intelligent coaches will tell you that you can't really rely or trust a rookie in the playoffs.
    Under normal cir stances, yes. But the Spurs are far from their normal playoff shape and are extremely shorthanded with Manu out.

    Extreme times call for risk-taking and creativity. Playing it safe will not produce a miracle run.

    Relying on a rookie to play at least specialist spot minutes in the playoffs seems to be a reasonable enough risk at this point.

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    Only way Hill gets back into the rotation is if Pop gets desperate and the Spurs are about to get eliminated.
    It's just too bad that Pop just doesn't trust his young players.

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    It's just too bad that Pop just doesn't trust his young players.

    Yeah I wish he'd let Mason and Parker shoot more...

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    When you decide to write like an adult let me know.

    Second, Parker was gonna play a load of minutes because Duncan and Ginobili were out tonight.

    Get a ing clue.
    yes, it was neccessary for Hill to be taken down to zero minutes.
    Get a clue, watch the 1st 60 games of the season.
    Get more of a clue, watch Parker go down with an injury and the Spurs le chances vs Kings in 2006. Left in with a 20 point lead late 3rd qtr.

    When you decide to comprehend like an......nevermind.

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    It looks like this year's playoff rotation will already be longer than Pop has typically used in recent years. He has typically used 7+ man rotation, with 3 players at the 4/5, three players at the 2/3, Tony playing major minutes and a backup pg playing very limited minutes.

    This year it looks like he will play 9 deep with TD, Bonner, KT and Drew inside and Tony, Mason, Fin, Bruce and Ime on the perimeter. The 5th big (Oberto) and the 6th/7th perimeter players (Hill/JV) won't get much PT.
    ??? Pop never plays a 7+, more like an 8+ or 9


    last year
    4 Tim/Horry
    5 Oberto/KT
    2/3 Bruce/Manu/Fin/Barry
    1 Tony + 8 minutes from JV

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    yes, it was neccessary for Hill to be taken down to zero minutes.
    Get a clue, watch the 1st 60 games of the season.
    Get more of a clue, watch Parker go down with an injury and the Spurs le chances vs Kings in 2006. Left in with a 20 point lead late 3rd qtr.

    When you decide to comprehend like an......nevermind.

    Ah so George Hill is the saviour.

    I thought it was Drew Gooden?

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    This is part of Pop's plan to crush Hill's spirits

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    ??? Pop never plays a 7+, more like an 8+ or 9


    last year
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    5 Oberto/KT
    2/3 Bruce/Manu/Fin/Barry
    1 Tony + 8 minutes from JV
    Guess it depends on how you look at it. If you check the average minutes over the course of the entire playoffs, you are right. There were, however, an inordinate number of blowouts last year. 5 of the 7 games against the Hornets were blowouts, everyone gets minutes in those games.

    Compare those averages with the distrubution of minutes in the close games to see how Pop prefers to operate in the postseason. Especially with regard to 4/5 rotation. Check out the box scores for games 1,2, and 5 against PHX, games 3 and 7 against the Hornets and games 1,4 and 5 against the Lakers. Every other game was decided by at least 16 points. In those 8 closest games, the 4th bigs combined for a grand total of 25 minutes or just over 3mpg.

    You'll see the same concentration of minutes among the top 4 perimeter players in the close games. JV's minutes in those 8 games:1,0,3,5,1,5,0,0 for a total of 15 in 8 games.

    So in the close games, the 4th big played 3 mpg and the 5th perimeter guy played 2 mpg. Kinda like a 7+ rotation.

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    He would be nice to see (especially defensively) against a young, athletic team like the Blazers, but with limited playing time down the stretch it's tough to imagine. I do however look forward to him starting with TP at some point in the near future as the jumper gets more accurate and he becomes acclamted enough with the team/system to look for his own offense which would give them the added dimension they lack when Manu is out.

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    Pop will use him as a shooting guard most likely. With Manu out you're going to have to go to him at some point in the playoffs.

    It all depends on how the games go when it comes down to it. If we're down by 10 and Pop wants to throw some random lineup of guards and a power forward, Hill could thrive in that situation and see some serious minutes. Look at Udoka last year against the Hornets.

    With Pop it's a "What have you done for me lately?" thing.

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    i want to see george in there and with the same confidence at the start of the season, pity thats gone

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    It's just too bad that Pop just doesn't trust his young players.
    i want to see george in there and with the same confidence at the start of the season, pity thats gone
    Can we just call it Benophobia already, or what?


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    So you're telling me there's a chance!

    Classic Jim Carey line from Dumb and Dumber.

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    Guess it depends on how you look at it. If you check the average minutes over the course of the entire playoffs, you are right. There were, however, an inordinate number of blowouts last year. 5 of the 7 games against the Hornets were blowouts, everyone gets minutes in those games.

    Compare those averages with the distrubution of minutes in the close games to see how Pop prefers to operate in the postseason. Especially with regard to 4/5 rotation. Check out the box scores for games 1,2, and 5 against PHX, games 3 and 7 against the Hornets and games 1,4 and 5 against the Lakers. Every other game was decided by at least 16 points. In those 8 closest games, the 4th bigs combined for a grand total of 25 minutes or just over 3mpg.

    You'll see the same concentration of minutes among the top 4 perimeter players in the close games. JV's minutes in those 8 games:1,0,3,5,1,5,0,0 for a total of 15 in 8 games.

    So in the close games, the 4th big played 3 mpg and the 5th perimeter guy played 2 mpg. Kinda like a 7+ rotation.
    Great post to win the argument against exstatic.

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    Hill is a better PG than mason. he can penetrate, finish and pass, bottom line hes a better playmaker than Mason,not using him as backup PG is simply a dumb decision and thers no really no justification for it other than pop's stubborness.

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    Who has been the best spurs player all yr long...

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    who has been the best spurs player all yr long...
    tp

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    Hill is a better PG than mason. he can penetrate, finish and pass, bottom line hes a better playmaker than Mason,not using him as backup PG is simply a dumb decision and thers no really no justification for it other than pop's stubborness.

    He can pass and penetrate but like Mason, can't finish.

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