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From The Associated Press Stylebook and Briefing on Media Law.
Page 5.
abortion Use anti-abortion instead of pro-life and abortion rights instead of pro-abortion or pro-choice.
Please stop calling them anti-abortionists - they are Pro-life!
The whole purpose of the exhibit is to show people what abortion really is - if more people were aware of what really happens, there would probably be far less abortions!
From The Associated Press Stylebook and Briefing on Media Law.
Page 5.
abortion Use anti-abortion instead of pro-life and abortion rights instead of pro-abortion or pro-choice.
that is bull .. and that is what they are.. they are anti-abortion.. if are against something then your anti-it..
and people will not stop having less abortions bc they see a picture of an aborted fetus. a woman gets an abortion often bc she does not want to have a baby for whatever reason(it is her reason). i doubt a woman who gets an abortion has not thought deeply thought about it...
oh yeah, they are pro-life, that is why they bomb medical clinics!
I know what abortion is and I know which sides are pro-abortion and which are anti-abortion. I also know that you don't get in my face about it after I have politely declined to talk to you about it. (not you specifically bro)The whole purpose of the exhibit is to show people what abortion really is - if more people were aware of what really happens, there would probably be far less abortions!
Clandestino - why don't you get the facts before you start spouting crap! Planned Parenthood and other anti-life groups have tried for years to keep the reality of what abortion really is from the young women who come to them because they know that if a young woman sees what the developing baby looks like and what the reality of abortion looks like that many would choose life over murder!
All acounts from the newspaper today say it was a very peacful display. They are doing it right.
excellent. hopefully a trend is developing.All acounts from the newspaper today say it was a very peacful display. They are doing it right.
so...I am not supposed to say "anti-abortion" but its ok for you to say "anti-life" [/double standard]
i agree...it was peaceful, but still not something i think most students at utsa want to see on their campus. when the weather is nice a lot of students just chill on the grass and hang in the sombrilla.. they shouldn't have to see abortion pictures. and i have counted numerous children today at school... just like i thought..there are always parents with kids here.
anti-life? anti the mothers life if an abortion is needed to keep her alive.
regardless, that is not the issue here... the issue is those ign HUUUGE pictures! i wouldn't have minded if they were normal size pictures that people who wanted to could walk up and view, but 2 story high pictures of gross is out of line.
oh yeah, at UTSA children are not permitted in the computers labs, even with a parent, to prevent them from accidentally seeing material that may not be suitable.. so, why should monster diplays be allowed in full view?
Dude, there is no reason to stop these displays, and the courts have already ruled on it.
The computer labs are a limited space environment that are reserved for students, that is much different than the Sombria.
You don't care about the kids and what they see, so don't try to take that arguement. You're annoyed that you've been confronted with something that is less than appealing, and it's nothing more than that.
As far as that anti-abortion/pro-life side-debate... I wonder how many pro-lifers are pro-death penalty.
Or vice-versa.
court rulings don't mean it is right. remember separate but equal?
the computer labs aren't because of the limited space environment. it is because of what they might see. they have it posted.
and i see you still haven't learned to spell...
ask manny, he is against killing murderers, but has no problem killing babies.
Irony. I'm for killing babies yet I'm arguing for the rights of an anti abortion group to protest.
I'm very consistent in my beliefs. And while I'm not anal about spelling to the point I spellcheck my posts, I'm very confident in my ability to articulate myself on a much higher level than you, Clandestino.
I gave you a logical reason as to why kids aren't allowed in the computer lab. but here's another, liability. The school doesn't want to be liable for what kids seen on those computers.
Why doesn't that apply outside? Becaue those fetus being shown don't meet indecency standards that stuff on the internet does. You don't have to be over 18 to legaly see a dead fetus.
Now what? Whats your next BS arguement?
I take it you didn't see the "free speech zones" at the Democratic Convention, before the election. They were, literally, chain link cages. No jabs at Bush for something Kerry does also, please. Just to be fair.
the only thing ironic is that you don't believe killing murderers, but you have no problem killing babies...
but both your reasons are speculation and not the true reason for the policy.I gave you a logical reason as to why kids aren't allowed in the computer lab. but here's another, liability. The school doesn't want to be liable for what kids seen on those computers.
so, showing children aborted babies is decent?Why doesn't that apply outside? Becaue those fetus being shown don't meet indecency standards that stuff on the internet does. You don't have to be over 18 to legaly see a dead fetus.
Now what? Whats your next BS arguement?
btw, i don't spell check my posts... it is just wierd that you, mr highly educated and articulate, can't even spell basic words you should've learned in the 5th grade.
like weird?btw, i don't spell check my posts... it is just wierd that you, mr highly educated and articulate, can't even spell basic words you should've learned in the 5th grade.
yeah! like that!like weird?
Wrong. I've stated many times, including in this thread, that I hate abortion. What is about that very simple statement that you can't understand? I'm not sure how much further I can break it down.
Ok, to play devils advocate then. Lets say the computer policy is as you say, and for the reasons you say. Then, if UTSA can't defend that policy, it would be removed.but both your reasons are speculation and not the true reason for the policy.
That doesn't mean the group in the Sombria has any less of a right to be there and that makes the whole computer lab situation irrelevent.
By the purely legal standard of what is indecent, yes. Differentiate between a words leagal meaning and the standard it is used in society, because they are 2 different things.so, showing children aborted babies is decent?
It's obvious you don't spell check your posts, you didn't need to point that out.btw, i don't spell check my posts... it is just wierd that you, mr highly educated and articulate, can't even spell basic words you should've learned in the 5th grade.
Oh, and I never said I was highly educated (I don't even have an undergraduate degree yet, I would hardly qualify as highly educated). I said I was (and stand by) that I am smarter than you. Many of my spelling errors aren't spelling errors at all, but typos.
Also, using words correctly and in the appropriate context and being able to formulate a coherent thought is much more valuable than the ability to spell words.
Things that people look at on monitors is not the only reason kids aren't allowed in those computer labs - kids are impatient and are likely to mess up things on computers while they are waiting for the adult they are with, and they are also noisy - the lab is there for scholastic use first and foremost and people write papers on those things - they pay for the privilege of using those computers and being able to work on them, not tolerate people's kids running around (I'm making a generalization I know, not everyone's kids are ill-behaved). The bottom line, though, is that there is a difference between the computer lab - which you have to be a student to use - and the sombrilla which is truly a public area. And if you don't want your kids looking at that stuff, there is a daycare facility on campus now. I'm so sick of people bringing their kids to class - I know every once and a while a parent can't help it, but really, a university is no place for a child to be most of the time.
If you don't want your kids to see what's in the Sombrilla, then don't take them there. It's the parents' call as to what is "suitable" for their children, and it's up to them to avoid exposure to those things that aren't suitable. Freedom of speech in a pre-approved forum is not the place to argue censorship.
I wonder how many pro-lifers are pro-death penalty.
you can value the life of an unborn child while seeking to eliminate those that show no value for human life, via rape/murder, and still be consistant with your beliefs. there is no innocence like an unborn child. there is no guilt like a convicted murderer/rapist.
i'm glad those photos are up. awareness is a good thing. it's a college campus, not a day care...
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