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why play barry at all then?
Yes Barry was brought here to shoot the ball, but there is so much more he can do...I hate it when people jump on to one guys bandwagon just b/c they play the same position that one player does that isnt playing that well right now. Like all the Nazi > Rasho and even funnier GLOVER> BARRY!!!!!!?????
why play barry at all then?
No not so. He passes up shots when he is wide open to pass to someone less open. It happens alot. I have been a Barry proponent from the beginning. I think he still brings a lot to the floor, but if Pop has given him the greenlight, then I don't understand his hesitation. The way the team was shooting last night, he should have put up 20 shots.Please, tell Whottt that. When I told him that Barry passes up open looks, he said that Barry only does it when a teammate has a better shot available.
With Bones struggling we can't afford to have Devin miss too much time as he actually produces off the bench. The worst part is he was just starting to find his confidence again.His aggressive play has been a plus the last few games.
Did someone put a curse on us?
Just because you guys can find like one or two times he has done it doesn't mean he's doing it on a regular basis...everybody does it once in a while...this is like saying Mohammed has a jumper because you've seen him make one.Please, tell Whottt that. When I told him that Barry passes up open looks, he said that Barry only does it when a teammate has a better shot available.
And don't look at me on this one, I wanted Shane Heal
I think for Barry, he has hit rock bottom. he knows this, He will come out and play strong tomorrow. he has to because his team needs him to. I think that the extra time, added with the support and NEED of his team he will start on his track back to the barry we know. When you hit rock bottom there is only one way to go.
You guys need to figure out what you hate about Barry the most...
The fact that his shot isn't falling...or the fact that he isn't shooting...I think the two are interconnected...
In any case...Barry leads the team in 3pa's and only Manu averages more 3pa's per game....If he's passing them up he's certainly not doing it anymore than any one else is...
NEXT
I think what I hate most is not about barry but about the situation. it is so frustrating to see a guy so good not succeed. No one really knows why or how to fix it. It is obvious that barry wants to fix whatever it is really bad. unfortunately he does not have a jumper goes in and jumber goes out switch that he can turn on and off. The overall feeling of the whole situation is what I hate.
were mad at him cause he cant make a shot, and when he goes to the basket he passes the freakin ball when hes got a wide open lane.
But its Pop's fault Barry is playing the way he is.
i like brent. I think he's a good player, except for how he lets the fear of failure affect his game so much. His recent ugly streak is directly related to his lack of self-confidence. It is frustrating to watch a player as gifted and smart as barry, psyche himself out of fully contributing to the team. He cares so much about doing everything right that he that he doesnt just play the game anymore. I would take Barry with a huge turnover/ast ratio if he would just play the game without a care again. His shot would definitely follow
Well you guys are on crack if you think he can't make a 2 point shot...he leads the team in 2point PCT.
So basically you want him to be a ballhog...just say so...
In that case it's still stupid...guy played with and actually got along with Gary Payton...I don't think he has ball hogging tendencies...only Devin takes more shots than Barry off the bench and Devin isn't exactly looking to pass first...and no one is shooting as great a PCT of threes as Barry is.
Furthermore...if he takes any more shots per game he'll be taking more than your boy Rasho who is the starting C...how you will defend Rasho once that happens?
Just keep on hating TPark, aint no crime...but please stop trying to rationalize it.
I want him to shoot as if he's hitting every shot when he has open jumpers.
And I want him to hit those jumpers.
And I've noticed he does hit his 2's at a much better rate. If that's the case, have him step in untill he gets on a roll.
Hate him? I love watching him glide down the floor, very graceful and athletic. I agree he doesn't pass up more than others. My point is he is a better pure shooter than anyone else on the team. He should be a little more selfish. But, regardless of what Pop says, I think Barry still has it in the back of his mind that a bad shot equals a quick hook.
That's something to make a case out of right there, though.
You said yourself, Devin isn't looking to pass first. When Brown catches the ball, he often puts it up right away. He looks very comfortable taking his shots, even if they aren't falling that day. Even though he's been toying with that pump fake more and more (which, by the way, usually wastes a decent shot), he still comes into the game with an apparent mindset that he's going to take his shots and let the ball decide if they will fall or not.
Why can't Brent Barry do that?
Everybody was ranting and raving about how his basketball IQ and his passing abilities were supposed to help this team, and I think he bought into that a little bit, as well. Now, instead of having that 'shoot first' mentality, he's looking to make the 'smart plays' and it's dragging down his percentages and his shooting confidence.
If Barry would put up shots the way Devin Brown does, without hesitation and with belief instead of desire, he would be getting those minutes that the very same Devin Brown is taking away from him now. His desire to succeed and prove his worth, coupled with his diminishing self confidence, seems to currently be preventing him from doing that.
Last edited by Dex; 03-22-2005 at 06:28 PM. Reason: Because typos piss me off, too.
When it rains it pours,
thank god we still have time before the playoffs.
Even though I would still love to have a 1 seed and
homecourt. If we can have all of our guys healthy
by playoff time we should be fine even if it is at a 2 or
3 seed.
His hesitation is because he is scared of his shot right now. Bowen mentioned it in his chat on ESPN. He said they are trying to get Barry to the point where he doesn't feel like he is bringing down the team. I know the feeling. When I am having a crappy game shooting, I am always looking to the guy who is having a better shooting night(or maybe they aren't), but I don't trust myself. Barry doesn't want his misses to be the reason they lose. Thats my theory at least.
Sorry Dex. My post is close to yours. I was typing when it got posted.
That's a very well argued point Dex...but look at who Barry played well with...
Gary Payton...Ray Allen...ball hogs...and those guys loved playing with him because he has pass first tendencies...he doesn't have a scorers tendencies...
And a high basketball IQ would include not taking bad shots which is why this guy has lead the NBA in both 2 pt PCT and 3 pt PCT.
You guys want him to step up like Jordan or something...but that's never the type of player he was...at least to my thinking, he was always more of a point guard who made timely shots...not frequent ones, he picked his spots and they were good, smart and timely shots,...he was definitely a behind the scenes type "grease" player much like like Drob was in his finals years on the team...
He's not like Devin Brown and they are entirely different types of players which is why I could never understand why they were competing for minutes..ditto Rose and horry...
Devin is the leading career scorer for every team he has played on...he is a flat out scorer and that's what he looks to do...Barry doesn't do that and he never has...and I thoght he was going to be a perfect fit for this team backing up the guard spots, fascillitating the offense, key the fast break, and hitting smart and timely shots to aid Duncan...
And that's what he was doing at the beginning of the year...and now Beno runs the back up offense and he is competing with Devin in a battle he can never win and that leaves the Spurs worse off...if you want scoring Devin should be your guy every time...but if you want to get out of the situation where we are making stupid TO's and blowing leads or taking stupid shots...Barry is the guy that should have the ball in his hands...and he should have it over any other guard on the team and probably over Duncan as well.
Admittedly agreed, but if you ask me, Brent Barry still has the option of taking that same 'I'm going to get mine' mentality.
When he played with the supposed 'ballhogs', he should've gotten used to shooting the ball when he got it. He should have that shooter's mentality drilled into his ego, considering he was branded as one of the best pure shooters in the league when they signed him to the Spurs. However, after having already earned 3-point percentage honors once and leading the leagues in the same category, I think he wanted to prove that he could expand his game.
When Barry came to San Antonio, he admitted that he wanted to come in and do more for this team than just shoot. I think his personal emphasis on that regard of his game is what is disrupting the flow of what he does best, what we brought him here for.
To shoot the damn ball.
I don't care if you miss 20 shots in a row. Just take your shots and fill your role.
Take a page out of the Devin Brown handbook, if that's what you've got to do.
Personally, I think Brent is STILL trying to prove to people that he can do more than just spot-up for this team. And though you make valid arguments about his offensive efficiency outside of his three-point shooting (to your credit), at this point I think Brent might be better off if he gave up the Superman bit and focused his attention primarily on the one reason the Spurs signed him last summer: three balls.
Last edited by Dex; 03-22-2005 at 06:54 PM.
Back to Devin Brown, it doesn't sound good. Pop said they are worried that it could be a disc thing. If he's hurt for an extended period of time, it's going to be a huge blow ... especially with Duncan out.
Last edited by timvp; 03-22-2005 at 06:58 PM.
Yeah, that doesn't sound good. If this is a disc problem, it's degernative and that certainly does not bode well.
Man, say it aint so. That would be a killer.
That's what I thought when I heard about the 'crunching sounds' that Devin described, and Pop admitted that the team had the same concerns as well on the Pop Show earlier.
My dad has had 2 surgeries for slipped discs in his time. Had a similar incident on a boat that got the whole thing snowballing; Slipped a little bit and heard a crunch in his back when he caught himself. They really did a number on him. He can hardly turn his neck to meet his shoulder now, and has had to rule out pretty much all physicality from his life. Which means there is no way in he could run up and down a basketball court.
Granted, he's got a good 20 years on Devin Brown, but even hearing the mention of bad discs in that guy's back is very worrisome, even in the long run.
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