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DraftExpress now has the Spurs picking Claver at 37.
would love this guy i would hope he can stay overseas for at least next season so we can get hime with our 1st pick next year but if he's going to be like that then forget him i rather have cassipi and llull
DraftExpress now has the Spurs picking Claver at 37.
IMO, the Spurs don't need another player stashed away overseas. They need a player who is ready to contirbute now. As bad off as this team is at the SF position, they are in no position to wait and they certainly cannot recall the same retreads and oldheads they've been using.
Move up into the 1st round and take a player, already.
Agreed. With Claver signing another three year deal, this is not the ideal draft for us to take a player like him with our first pick. We need to be looking at players that can come in and possibly be role player ASAP.
Disagree. If Claver is available at 37, you think long and hard about taking him. Sure, you may have to wait for a buyout opportunity, although it is currently unclear what the buyout opportunities in his new contract are. BUT if Claver was an American college player, he'd likely be a top 10 pick. That kind of talent in the 2nd round you HAVE to consider strongly...
I don't think SenorSpur is disagreeing with taking Claver at 37 as much as he is lobbying for us to find a way into the first round to take a player that can potentially make some sort of contribution now. I agree with this, as I think that most of the players that could help us will be gone by the time we pick.
Claver is a very nice prospect...no one is disagreeing with that. The issue is that we are looking at a very short window as far as championship aspirations go. If we can get him with one of our later picks, I would be fine with that. But if we decide to stay put at 37 then I think we take the best available on the board that can be here next season. They may or may not pan out but we have to try because now is pretty much all we have.
Actually...I am starting to agree with Bruno's thinking on this. Claver will most almost certainly be taken by one of the 6 picks ahead of us in the second round. He will get to stay overseas to develop while he plays out his contract and then when he is brought over he will not be locked into a rookie scale contract. He is a safe pick for any team not looking to contend in the immediate future.
Example...DX currently has Green going to Portland one pick after us. I think we definitely take Green over Claver if he is there at 37.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=124924
Last edited by benefactor; 06-01-2009 at 09:50 PM.
Exactly. That's precisely what I mean. The Spurs do not have the luxury of time to stash draft picks. They need immediate contributors. The best scenario would be to move up into the 1st round to take a player, whose skills can be leveraged as early as next season.
In the meantime, if Claver can be had with a later 2nd round pick, that's fine.
There aint no one worthy of trading up for in the first round, thats such BS.
Try Sam Young
Something like 85% of the lower first round draftees NEVER make it into the NBA. So we'd have to get into the top draftees to have even a good shot at a solid NBA player. And everyone says that after the top five or so this year the draft is a crap shoot.
If the rumors are true about the Spurs trying to get into the late first round, they must have a player in mind that they don't think will be there in the second. This is looking more and more like Caspi to me. They've been hovering around him for a couple of years.
I'd be down with either Casspi or Claver in the 2nd round. I'm not really fired up about trading up to get either one. We might have to give up too much.
I believe the Spurs will keep their options open. They'll target a couple of players; if they happen to fall far enough in the first round, they'll try to move up with teams they've previously spoken to. If not, they'll see who drops and trade out if necessary. I don't expect them to trade up unless they're certain a desired player is on the board.
Claver is staying in the draft according to this article linked to by nbadraft and through google translate.
...[Claver} has already decided that this year will reach the final and as confirmed SUPER that, as reported by this newspaper in recent weeks, their main desire is to leave 'draft' in the second round to avoid it would tie the pay gap...
However the player tile is very clear about its priorities and continue with the Lakers is the first in the list since it has no hurry to cross the pond. Hence, it is more convenient since being elected from 31 to 60, because there is more freedom to decide the best time to make the jump to the best league in the world, as in his day was Marc Gasol. Of the six sites surveyed by super,-Hoops World, ESPN, Sports Illustrated, NBA Draft Depot College Ho-ops and Draft Express-Victor Claver be more than happy with the last three, which put him in the second round, beyond the thirtieth position, although none of them predicts that Valencian quit 'draft' below the post 40. It is a curious fact that two sites-NBA and College Hoops Draft Depot-overlap in their prognosis, which sent Valencia to the San Antonio Spurs of Gregg Popovich, the coach who visited a few weeks ago the city of Valencia to visit his Neven Spahija former assistant, current technical Pamesa.
A quick trip in which the winner of 3 rings with NBA Tim Duncan, among others, used the meeting to ask for Claver, in his famous philosophy of continuing to gamble in the draft for young European and international basketball, as and the French did with Tony Parker, Manu Ginóbili Argentine or Brazilian Luis Scola and Tiago Splitter, although the latter is pierced.
Fall into a franchise like Texas would be a dream for the eave taronja, if the predictions were met, however, if judiciously the other three sites, Hoops World, ESPN and Sports Illustrated, which put him in first round, plans Claver not come to perfection. On June 25, the answer.
I've been intrigued by this guy since last year's draft, saying he could be better than Casspi, who is a first round lock.
NBAdraft.com
Expect a flurry of action on draft night, which has become the norm in recent years, and a number of first and second rounders to be sold and traded.
Teams with multiple picks such as Sacramento (23), Oklahoma City (25) and Chicago (26) are all looking to sell their picks according to sources. While three other teams would like to buy picks late in the first round: San Antonio, Detroit and Houston.
Joe Dumars has his eye on Toney Douglas and would like to pick up a late first to grab him. San Antonio is likely after Victor Claver who su iously remained in the draft, despite a lackluster and injury plagued season. No word on who Houston is after, but Rockets GM Daryl Moray was on hand in Treviso as Swedish SF Jonas Jerebko put on an excellent performance.
Last edited by yavozerb; 06-19-2009 at 04:43 PM.
Crap. Claver is definitely a good prospect, but contractual complications are really getting old.
I certainly wouldn't mind. 1) Claver is a talent. Purely on talent/potential I would say he might be top 15 in this years class. 2) Looking at our next year, I am not sure we see a lot of spots to fill. Consider:
PG (3 Spots) - Parker, Hill
Big (6 Spots) - Duncan, Thomas, Mahinmi,
Wing (6 spots) - Manu, Mason
Will all certainly be back. I can't see Pop going without another vet at PG; the PG spots are filled. Bigs - Oberto and Bonner still have contracts, and Gist will be looking to come back. We are also clearly looking at FA bigs (see the fuss over Bourousis). Gist comes over, and a FA takes Oberto's spot. No room left at that point. Wings: Finley and Bowen still have contracts. I expect Bowen to be back after a buyout. I'd like to see Finley gone, but I am not sure it will happen. And then there is Hairston and Williams. Presumably we still want both of them (that was what that contract folderol at the end of the year was - to keep both of them). That's maybe 1 spot at the wing, an we are clearly looking at FA's as well. There are not a lot of spots available for rookies. The year after though, Hill, Hairston, Williams and Mahinmi should be integrated enough that Pop trusts them; most of the old guard should go, leaving us with place to fill with talent
09/10
Parker, Hill, Vet FA (Vet Min)
Manu, Mason, Hairston, Williams, Bowen, FA? (assume Carney)
Duncan, Mahinmi, KT, Bonner, Gist, FA? (Assume Bourousis)
10/11
Parker, Hill
Manu (resigned), Hairston, Williams, Claver
Duncan, Mahinmi, Gist, Bouroussis, Splitter
Needs - 3ed PG, 2 Wings, 1 Big
Assets - 1 Draft Pick (2010), FA and 2nd round picks
Not a bad position.
If you can convince him to come in NBA one day, Claver at #37 is a damn great pick. I easily take him over the average second rounder coming from college.
San Antonio is likely after Victor Claver (6-10) who su iously remained in the draft, despite a lackluster and injury plagued season.
nbadraft.net
When Pop was in Europe during the playoffs he commented about how good Claver was.
While his basketball skills have yet to catch up to his impressive athleticism, Claver's leaping ability has made him a fan favorite throughout the European and Spanish League circuits. His high flying skills were evident than when he won the Slam Dunk contest at the 2008 ULEB Cup Tournament.
However, Claver missed more than four months of the 2008-09 campaign after undergoing surgery in early December 2008 to repair a left leg fracture that he suffered in Eurocup action vs. For udo Bologna. He returned in April for the Spanish ACB League playoffs, but his draft status could be affected by his injury as well as his team's recent announcement on May 26 that he signed a new three-year contract with Pamesa Valencia. The deal does include a buy-out clause if he chooses to pursue National Basketball Association endeavors.
Claver began his playing career as a cadet with the Marist CD club from 2001-03. He later played for the Pamesa Valencia cadet team in 2003-04, joining their junior squad the following year. He continued to play with the junior team and in EBA compe ion in 2005-06 before joining the big club. Claver competed for Spain's U-20 team at the European Championships, averaging 15.6 points and 5.3 rebounds per game, shooting 63.2 percent from two-point range and 36.8 percent from three-point range while making 72.0 percent of his shots from the foul line
great another player with a bum wheel
Could be a steal.
6-10 SF? I'll take it... perfect match up against Hedo, Ariza and Odom
theres some Youtube videos of him.....
this one showcases hes skills.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKKVh40m-FA
this dude can play and shoot the ball, @ 6'10 for a SF.... this is exactly what we ing need. I'd say we should try to get him!
It's hard not to like what you read/see about him but we need to move on with drafting and stashing guys that might not ever come over and play. Or worse trade them to a contending team.
i dont know too much about this kid e ally how he broke his leg but if he comes back to the way he was playing he could be like a white rashard lewis
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