Pana coach: "The NBA is just a show"

[Brazil]

IMO in NBA there are 5 main plagues to eliminate to increase the sportive interest:
- Too many teams: a cut of 6 min would be needed
- An easter and western conference (what for ?) just business => the best 8 teams are not represented
- The season is too short 6 months of games and 6 months of nothing
- Too many games, 60 could be a good number indeed
- Eradicate the back to back games, these games are just worthless

On top of that these measures would protect better the players health

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

How much biger is the level 1.2 or 1.3? He is just rising his price until there will come an big enough offer. If not he will just continue to provoke.

I think his statement is 99% closer to the reality than statement NBA level is 100x... USA have walked Olympics with team full of NBA stars. They walked against 18 years old teenage PG. 100x...

In this year any of final four teams Barca, PAO, Olympiacos, CSKA could have make playoffs of east conference in NBA. I do not think they would advance past first round though. I don't think any other Euroleague team this year would have make NBA playoffs of east.

I see before where Hollinger says Euroleague before top 16 (like 17-30 teams) is 70% equal of NBA. Euroleague top 16 and up can be consider as 80% equal of NBA.

Since Euroleague is promote and relegate system instead of franchise system like NBA the teams that stay mostly from year to year like NBA is top 16 ones. So basic Hollinger is say there is 16 deep of top clubs and level is 80% on average of level of NBA 30 teams on average.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

while this is true. Eurotrash refs are probably dirtier than NBA refs.

No. Some Euroleague refs are on take for sure and it is very obvious but they are not actual on orders from the league itself. Big difference.

[mingus]

i'd like to see sixty game reg. season ... naturally it would probably result in players giving more effort/taking the games more seriously ... you'd just be getting a better , more exciting product out on the floor ... also i wonder if having a shortened reg. season (and longer off-season) would extend the primes of players ... if the the greats are able to play at high level for a longer period then the talent pool in the NBA would grow a lot ...

[Allanon]

IMO in NBA there are 5 main plagues to eliminate to increase the sportive interest:
- Too many teams: a cut of 6 min would be needed
- An easter and western conference (what for ?) just business => the best 8 teams are not represented

These will never happen unless the money really can't support the teams...so far it's ok. If a team runs out of money, they just move to Oklahoma City or something like that.

The more teams, the more $$money$$ for the NBA. The more games to play, the more $$money$$ for the NBA. I don't think they're going to change those.

I think the NBA average is every game played is $1 million in additional revenue.

- Eradicate the back to back games, these games are just worthless

I agree, the back 2 back games really suck...lengthen the season.

[Brazil]

These will never happen unless the money really can't support the teams...so far it's ok. If a team runs out of money, they just move to Oklahoma City or something like that.

The more teams, the more $$money$$ for the NBA. The more games to play, the more $$money$$ for the NBA. I don't think they're going to change those.

I think the NBA average is every game played is $1 million in additional revenue.

I'm not sure about that, if you reduce the number of games the sportive interest will increase for the RS and as a consequence the revenue per game should increase, the same goes with the TV: if you lower the offer normally prices go up.

See for instance what happened for the soccer in France they reduced the number of teams and the global revenue of the league has increased with other factors of course but still caused an impact.

Nevertheless I know you are not a big fan of the idea cauz the lakers wouldn't be able to win 75 games during the RS

[Allanon]

I'm not sure about that, if you reduce the number of games the sportive interest will increase for the RS and as a consequence the revenue per game should increase, the same goes with the TV: if you lower the offer normally prices go up.

See for instance what happened for the soccer in France they reduced the number of teams and the global revenue of the league has increased with other factors of course but still caused an impact.

That's a good point, fewer games would increase the per game revenue. It will hurt the big market teams that sell out every game but would help the small market teams immensely. Not bad at all.

Nevertheless I know you are not a big fan of the idea cauz the lakers wouldn't be able to win 75 games during the RS

Moth$@$*$* !!!

[Kobayagi]

So basic Hollinger is say there is 16 deep of top clubs and level is 80% on average of level of NBA 30 teams on average.

I had to read this 14 times and I'm still not sure I understood it correctly.

[DAF86]

The NBA has a lot more talent than any other league in the world, that's not a question. But I get angry as when ignorant NBA fans say that the worst player in the NBA is better than the best player in Europe, or that the worst team in the NBA will beat the crap out of the Euroleague champion, that's not even close to beign true, in fact there're many EL teams that could make the playoffs in the NBA.

[Bukefal]

NBA is the toughest and greatest league in the world, but yes he does have a point there, it is one big show.

[Kibic]

The difference between the Euroleague, the NBA, and the olympics is the best europlayers come to play in the NBA, but play for their countries in the olympics.

That makes Olympic wins pretty much irrelevant to determining which league is better.

Just put a pure Euroleague team v NBA team and its not even close.

Ok, ok. Let us put it this way, and please I know it doesn't look pretty but don't take it personally because it is not.

Look, could this 2 teams be a solid NBA team (1.) and a solid (not best) Euroleague team (2.)(without foregin players, just Greeks)? Are those NBA players? And the (2.)team? Would a solid NBA fan know at least 2 of players from the other roaster, european? Or put it this way Every player from team 2. know every player from team 1. just because of all the marketing support NBA provide to them. But make no mistake, not one of players from team 1. didn't know any not even one player from team 2.

Than we come to BB on court. Not on ESPN, not on NBA.com. No, on court.
Here is what hapened:

Box Score (Final)
2006 FIBA World Championship
Team 1. vs Team 2.(Sep 01, 2006)

TEAM 1.
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4 Joe Johnson......... g 1 3 1 3 0 0 1 0 1 3 3 3 0 0 0 26
5 Kirk Hinrich........ g 4 8 4 7 0 0 1 1 2 5 12 1 2 0 0 21
6 LeBron James........ f 8 14 0 4 1 4 2 3 5 3 17 5 4 2 1 30
14 Elton Brand......... c 0 2 0 0 0 0 1 1 2 2 0 0 1 2 0 12
15 Carmelo Anthony..... f 9 15 3 8 6 10 0 3 3 2 27 2 0 0 2 32
8 Shane Battier....... 0 1 0 1 1 2 2 2 4 3 1 1 0 2 0 12
9 Dwyane Wade......... 6 11 1 3 6 9 2 0 2 3 19 3 2 0 1 25
10 Chris Paul.......... 0 5 0 2 3 4 0 6 6 3 3 2 1 0 0 24
11 Chris Bosh.......... 1 1 0 0 1 2 0 0 0 1 3 0 0 1 0 5
12 Dwight Howard....... 4 6 0 0 2 3 5 2 7 1 10 0 0 0 0 13
7 Antawn Jamison...... DNP
13 Brad Miller........ DNP
Totals.............. 33 66 9 28 20 34 14 18 32 26 95 17 10 7 4 200

TOTAL FG%: .500 DEADBALL
3-Pt. FG%: .321 REBOUNDS
F Throw %: .588 2

TEAM 2.
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9 Antonios Fotsis..... * 2 3 1 2 4 5 0 3 3 2 9 0 3 0 0 13
10 N. Chatzivrettas.... * 1 3 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 1 12
13 D. Diamantidis...... * 4 6 2 3 2 4 1 2 3 3 12 5 0 1 2 38
14 L. Papadopoulos..... * 3 5 0 0 2 2 0 1 1 3 8 0 3 0 0 9
15 Michail Kakiouzis... * 4 9 1 5 6 7 1 5 6 2 15 1 1 0 1 27
4 T. Papaloukas....... 4 7 0 1 0 0 0 5 5 3 8 12 2 0 0 33
5 S. Schortsanitis.... 6 7 0 0 2 6 0 1 1 3 14 0 0 0 0 17
7 Vasileios Spanoulis. 6 10 3 5 7 9 0 3 3 4 22 1 1 0 0 30
8 P. Vassilopoulos.... 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1
11 D. Ntikoudis........ 4 5 0 0 0 0 2 2 4 1 8 0 1 0 0 12
12 K. Tsartsaris....... 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 1 1 4 3 0 0 0 0 8
Totals.............. 35 56 8 18 23 33 4 23 27 25 101 19 11 1 4 200

TOTAL FG%: .625 DEADBALL
3-Pt. FG%: .444 REBOUNDS
F Throw %: .697 0,1


Score by Periods 1 2 3 4 Total
TEAM 1. 20 21 24 30 - 95
TEAM 2. 14 31 32 24 -101


This is just for fun. Look who better shot FG? F throw? 3-Pt? Were those to close to the basket?

Does anyone realy need some more rhetorical questions?

Now look again those Team 2. players names please. Would you put any of these in any of NBA team's?

And boy did those team1. players salute at every dunk or did they salute. You should see how they cry after the game. Tehy just couldn't belived what happened to them. They know now. They have been on the court.

You were not. And that is the only reason why you can still post comments like you do.

[Kibic]

[flipcritic]

Yep. That's Why Europe has all those gold medals in Olympic basketball. THEIR PROS ARE DA BEST!!!

[YellowFever]

^^Stop with the pissing contest.

USA got more gold in the Olympics BB than the rest of the world combined.

This is an interesting thread. I wish there was some way for the euro teams to play the NBA teams and not just in exhibitions.

Some kind of playoff system maybe?

My biggest fan-boy wish list is to have the best 16 euro teams play the 16 best NBA teams in some kind of best out of three tournament, with the venue switching from USA to EUROPE each year.

Impossible....but I can dream, right?

[Kibic]

After first round there would stay only 3-5 teams from Europe. Off coarse NBA teams are way better on average. No doubt.

As one said before, problem is that projection of how much better they are is not too accurate. Marketing does what it is mean to do. Read those names again, without marketing support in states:

TEAM 2.
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Antonios Fotsis
Chatzivrettas
D. Diamantidis
L. Papadopoulos
Michail Kakiouzis

And now read those who are benefiting from media support:

LeBron James
Carmelo Anthony
Dwyane Wade
Chris Paul
Chris Bosh
Dwight Howard

How on earth can they not win? I have a very hard job to do to explain my kids that what they see and read through season about NBA players does not translate at all on court. An we live in Europe. So we are under Europe media pressing too. That is why I understand NBA fans from USA who are shocked when their team does not win by 100 point margin. But I can't imagine the frustration when those lose against let mention them again:

Antonios Fotsis
Chatzivrettas
D. Diamantidis
L. Papadopoulos
Michail Kakiouzis

Isn't this so much fun?

[Cry Havoc]

After first round there would stay only 3-5 teams from Europe. Off coarse NBA teams are way better on average. No doubt.

As one said before, problem is that projection of how much better they are is not too accurate. Marketing does what it is mean to do. Read those names again, without marketing support in states:

TEAM 2.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Antonios Fotsis
Chatzivrettas
D. Diamantidis
L. Papadopoulos
Michail Kakiouzis

And now read those who are benefiting from media support:

LeBron James
Carmelo Anthony
Dwyane Wade
Chris Paul
Chris Bosh
Dwight Howard

How on earth can they not win? I have a very hard job to do to explain my kids that what they see and read through season about NBA players does not translate at all on court. An we live in Europe. So we are under Europe media pressing too. That is why I understand NBA fans from USA who are shocked when their team does not win by 100 point margin. But I can't imagine the frustration when those lose against let mention them again:

Antonios Fotsis
Chatzivrettas
D. Diamantidis
L. Papadopoulos
Michail Kakiouzis

Isn't this so much fun?

Because it's a team game. If you put an elite NBA team (say, the Cavs) against any Euro team, it would be a pasting. The Cavs would be up 25 points at halftime. The "dream teams" are guys who have historically played against each other most of their careers and are thrust into compe ion against players that know each other like brothers. And they still dominate nearly every compe ion with the small exception of a 2 year stretch where they struggled to find a good team to gel players with.

[flipcritic]

^^Stop with the pissing contest.

USA got more gold in the Olympics BB than the rest of the world combined.

This is an interesting thread. I wish there was some way for the euro teams to play the NBA teams and not just in exhibitions.

Some kind of playoff system maybe?

My biggest fan-boy wish list is to have the best 16 euro teams play the 16 best NBA teams in some kind of best out of three tournament, with the venue switching from USA to EUROPE each year.

Impossible....but I can dream, right?

It was a joke. Just like Euroleague.

[Kibic]

It was a joke. Just like Euroleague.

Sure it was. This was not.

Antonios Fotsis
Chatzivrettas
D. Diamantidis
L. Papadopoulos
Michail Kakiouzis

[Bukefal]

What about game 35 of the olympics in beijing, USA - Greece 92-69 ?

ITs relative people...

As yellowfever said, such a tournament would be great, i would love to see european teams take on nba teams.

[Brazil]

^^Stop with the pissing contest.

USA got more gold in the Olympics BB than the rest of the world combined.

This is an interesting thread. I wish there was some way for the euro teams to play the NBA teams and not just in exhibitions.

Some kind of playoff system maybe?

My biggest fan-boy wish list is to have the best 16 euro teams play the 16 best NBA teams in some kind of best out of three tournament, with the venue switching from USA to EUROPE each year.

Impossible....but I can dream, right?

Or a simply tournament with the top 4 NBA and Euro team maybe like in golf : Europe vs. USA