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    ATRAIN is gay peewee's lovechild's Avatar
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    Religion can have an influence on decisions you make in life and on your outlook on life but it cant really change you as a person unless you put your entire mind,soul and body into what you believe.
    What's the point in having "faith" if you are not going to "put your entire mind, soul, and body" into said faith?

    If you are just half-assing your supposed faith, then you don't have much faith at all.

    It's quite convenient to just adopt some aspects of your religion and dump those that you consider as cramping your style.

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    It's quite convenient to just adopt some aspects of your religion and dump those that you consider as cramping your style.
    Didn't Martin Luther do that about 500 years ago?

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    What's the point in having "faith" if you are not going to "put your entire mind, soul, and body" into said faith?

    If you are just half-assing your supposed faith, then you don't have much faith at all.

    It's quite convenient to just adopt some aspects of your religion and dump those that you consider as cramping your style.


    I would say over 90% of people who have "Faith" dont practice their faith. Theres a difference in saying you claim a religion as your personal Faith and another thing to actually give up everything you have for your Faith.

    The debate is "Does religion make up who you are as a person". No, for the most part and YES if you give up everything you have for it. But anything can change who you are as a person if you give up everything you have for that certain thing.

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    Didn't Martin Luther do that about 500 years ago?
    Yes, he did.

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    I would say over 90% of people who have "Faith" dont practice their faith. Theres a difference in saying you claim a religion as your personal Faith and another thing to actually give up everything you have for your Faith.

    The debate is "Does religion make up who you are as a person". No, for the most part and YES if you give up everything you have for it. But anything can change who you are as a person if you give up everything you have for that certain thing.
    So, religion defines who you are only if you're really into your religion.

    It doesn't define you only if you "claim" to be religious, but you're really not.

    Got it.

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    So, religion defines who you are only if you're really into your religion.

    It doesn't define you only if you "claim" to be religious, but you're really not.

    Got it.


    Exactly.

    Its not that hard to understand. Its called being a "Hypocrite" or a phony.

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    Its pretty difficult to keep any sort of "faith" in this modern age.

    You got so many people saying you are some form of moron if you believe in God.
    I've been called worse. I can live with it. God bless another religion thread.

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    Exactly.

    Its not that hard to understand. Its called being a "Hypocrite" or a phony.
    So, then, most religious people are hypocrites.

    Got it.

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    So, then, most religious people are hypocrites.

    Got it.

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    No wonder you all stay pissed at each other and slam other posters, you're forever talking about religion and politics ....

    2 of the worst subjects in America!
    the mavs just beat the Spurs in the playoffs....

    there is no God.

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    End Times Harvest. Book it!

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    So, then, most religious people are hypocrites.

    Got it.
    Most non-religious people are hypocrites too.

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    Most non-religious people are hypocrites too.
    How so?

    They don't claim to be holier than thou and then go little boys in a closet.

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    How so?

    They don't claim to be holier than thou and then go little boys in a closet.
    Neither do most religious people.

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    Neither do most religious people.
    The Catholic Church approves this post.

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    The Catholic Church doesn't represent all religious people.

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    How so?

    They don't claim to be holier than thou and then go little boys in a closet.
    Yeah, like no non-believer has ever done that. Damn hypocrites.

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    How so?

    They don't claim to be holier than thou and then go little boys in a closet.
    What do you call what you're doing, and seemingly all you do, on these forums? You post about how stupid religions are and how faith is stupid and anyone who believes in it is an idiot. That isn't 'holier than thou'? Maybe if YOU weren't so stupid you'd realize that this little quest of yours is only wasting peoples time. You aren't going to change anyones mind, all you do is make yourself look like a jackass. I don't believe in god, that's my choice. You make your choice, let everyone else make their choice, and quit trying to cram your atheist view points on everyone else. Just because people aren't like you doesn't make them wrong or stupid or bad. In fact, I for one am convinced it's a damn good thing they aren't like you.

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    What's the point in having "faith" if you are not going to "put your entire mind, soul, and body" into said faith?

    If you are just half-assing your supposed faith, then you don't have much faith at all.

    It's quite convenient to just adopt some aspects of your religion and dump those that you consider as cramping your style.
    +1. That's why I'm not religious. Too easy to just take the inconvenient virtues and rules and put them back in the box so you don't have to look at them.

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    What do you call what you're doing, and seemingly all you do, on these forums? You post about how stupid religions are and how faith is stupid and anyone who believes in it is an idiot. That isn't 'holier than thou'? Maybe if YOU weren't so stupid you'd realize that this little quest of yours is only wasting peoples time. You aren't going to change anyones mind, all you do is make yourself look like a jackass. I don't believe in god, that's my choice. You make your choice, let everyone else make their choice, and quit trying to cram your atheist view points on everyone else. Just because people aren't like you doesn't make them wrong or stupid or bad. In fact, I for one am convinced it's a damn good thing they aren't like you.
    I never called anyone who has faith as being idiots. Therefore, you are the idiot.

    I have simply said that it is improbable that this so-called "god" exists. I have also pointed out the inconsistencies of the major religions that dominate this world and the negative impact they often have, as they have for thousands of years.

    My whole point is that the world is better off without religion. The purpose of this post is to point out that more people are beginning to see that religiosity is not necessary in their lives.

    Now, if you get all ass hurt because you are one of god's soldiers and you feel that you must defend him/her/it at all times, that is very much your problem.

    However, it is a fact that religion has done more harm than good in the past couple of thousand years, more so if you include some pagan religions that predated the major religions of today, and that it will more than likely continue having an negative impact until humanity disposes of its need for religiosity.

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    A hundred years ago, Sunday church was the typically the only time you could speak with people that lived far away from the homestead and still belonged to your community, barring a funeral or an election. Choir practice and youth groups served as ways of getting together during the week. Repeated exposure to religion and peer pressure created faith in people.

    Times have drastically changed, and mass communication and travel ease can't be helping the cause. Do you think 1909 has more in common with 1809 or 2009? Aimee Semple MacPherson, Jimmy Swaggert, and Joel Osteen figured out how to stay ahead of the curve during their times of relevance to society. Someone else - and it may very well be Osteen or Rick Warren - will adapt, and use their resources to draw people in. In the meantime, nobody can really be surprised by this, believer or not.

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    However, it is a fact that religion has done more harm than good in the past couple of thousand years, more so if you include some pagan religions that predated the major religions of today, and that it will more than likely continue having an negative impact until humanity disposes of its need for religiosity.
    Now if that's not revisionist history, I'm not exactly sure what is.

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    A hundred years ago, Sunday church was the typically the only time you could speak with people that lived far away from the homestead and still belonged to your community, barring a funeral or an election. Choir practice and youth groups served as ways of getting together during the week. Repeated exposure to religion and peer pressure created faith in people.

    Times have drastically changed, and mass communication and travel ease can't be helping the cause. Do you think 1909 has more in common with 1809 or 2009? Aimee Semple MacPherson, Jimmy Swaggert, and Joel Osteen figured out how to stay ahead of the curve during their times of relevance to society. Someone else - and it may very well be Osteen or Rick Warren - will adapt, and use their resources to draw people in. In the meantime, nobody can really be surprised by this, believer or not.
    I agree with the first part of you post, but disagree on the last part.

    I think more people, in the near future, will abandon living in fear of offending a god who seems to be extremely unresponsive and begin to live in the now. By abandoning religion, people are free to live their lives in anyway they see fit and live according to what makes them happy.

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    You don't have to say "you are an idiot if you think this" to label someone as something derogatory. People, even religious people, can infer meaning based on your viewpoint and arguments. By the way your "therefore, you are an idiot" comment is a logical fallacy, try to argue with me, not just call people names. The point you are supposedly trying to make is completely moot because it's a journey of self discovery, for everyone. The single biggest ally you have in your quest to abolish religion from the world is education, yet you come off as extremely uneducated. If you want to convince someone of something, you need to seek common ground, not berate their life style and way of thinking. Again, I am not religious, and I'm not defending religion, I'm simply pointing out the futility of your argument. You sound like some 16 year old high school student with a chip on his shoulder. Did daddy make you go to sermon on sunday instead of watch the cowboys? Get over it, some people like religion, and you aren't going to change that w/ your weak arguments, name calling, and under handed bashing.

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    Now if that's not revisionist history, I'm not exactly sure what is.
    Revisionist???

    Revisionist?????

    The Crusades never happened? The Inquisition never happened? The Catholic Church never ins uted Jesuits to do their dirty work? People who opposed the church were never burned at the stake for being witches? The Holocaust never happened? The Islamic Empire wasn't built with blood? The Sikhs never warred vs. Hindus?

    I could go on, and on, and on, and on, and on . . . but you'll probably post some clever response that only a four year old would consider legitimate.

    Read a history book before you talk out of your ass.

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