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don't forget 21 for handguns, yet a rifles at 18.
It's ridiculous, they should make the age 18 or 21 for everthing.
this thread brings up the crazy age limits we have on things in the u.s. 21 drinking, 16 driving, 18 cigarettes.. you can join the military at 17, but can't even buy cigarettes or drink.. abortions at any age???
don't forget 21 for handguns, yet a rifles at 18.
It's ridiculous, they should make the age 18 or 21 for everthing.
what about shotguns?
but almost everyone can legally shoot a gun at any age...
Frankly, this whole story is just disgusting on so many levels...
Isn't passion an emotion?
I agree with Manny, you cant burden the life of a 14 year old girl with a child just becuase someone sees it as the "right thing to do".
This is one time when the decision has serious repricusion on the child and not so much the parent for the rest of there lives.
Do you believe a child of 14 is able to raise a baby? Even if the grandparent is the primary caretaker, the actions were those of the 14 yo girl and the repricusions and decisions based upon it have to be hers as well.
The alcholol, guns driving argument holds no sway here either. These responsibilities are not on the same level. Having a beer (not 15) or going for a drive rarely effect your entire life. Having a kid does 100% of the time, its a given. It will have repricustions anyway but this way it has minimal impact, its about whats best for the girl not what is percieved to be the "ideal" in the parents mindset.
The parents shouldn't have let the kid get pregnant in the first place and secondly they should support whatever decision there own child makes.
I think the repurcussions of having an abortion at such a young age could be tramatic as well. I don't how I'd react but I think I'd side on the side of life. I'm pro-choice but I'd tell her thatwe'd help her in every way we could to raise the child. But I'd be emotionally involved.
adoption is also a choice. but like joe says, an abortion can and probably will affect this girl for the rest of her life as well.
and shooting a gun and drinking at young ages can also affect you for the rest of your life is something goes wrong.
regardless, she is too young for sex and also too young to be making her own decisions. she has proved that already.
The other ages have nothing to do with this case, but I hate the inconsistencies of our government.
Name, passion is actually not an emotion of it's own, but an intense expression of emotion.
I stand by the fact that I don't let emotion establish my beliefs. I'd love for someone to prove otherwise.
i guess it is an emotion...
1. There is such a thing as adoption.
2. Because their kid obviously made such good choices to begin with
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4 a (1) : EMOTION <his ruling passion is greed> (2) plural : the emotions as distinguished from reason b : intense, driving, or overmastering feeling or conviction c : an outbreak of anger
5 a : ardent affection : LOVE b : a strong liking or desire for or devotion to some activity, object, or concept c : sexual desire d : an object of desire or deep interest
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Last edited by desflood; 03-26-2005 at 02:08 PM.
Well, I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for someone to come up with an example of where I establish my beliefs on emotion.
Trust me, if I did that I'd be a pretty extremeist guy.
Except for erasing her memory, I think it's past the point where you can hope to spare her from emotional trauma.
Re: Sigh. I'm pro Death Penalty again.
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You know what, this is my last post on the subject because I'm so sick of some people in here.
Those of you who claim to be christians, could learn a lot about what a real christian is like by listening to what Ashley Smith has to say.
You are the one's who have a thirst for blood and can't wait to have your vengence carried out like a pack of rabid dogs, yet I am the one who is warped? Well coming from you Clandestino, I'll take that as a compliment. Does not Christ teach you to love everyone? So would it be so wrong if I did love Brian Nichols?
I never said I felt good about any of the acts that he commited, and I simply expressed regret over this entire situation. But as much as you would love to think that the person who commited those crimes is entirely different from every one of you; that he is some sort of monster, he is not. He is a man, the same as most of the people here.
We all live in and support the world's most violent culture. We're off on white noble steeds saving the world from violence, when we can't even control what happens on our own soil.
Say what you will about me, but don't make me out to be warped because I dont want any part of any more blood being spilled, and because I choose to give my compasion more freely. Maybe if our society was more compasionate as a whole, we'd have less cases of this happening.
It seems to me, Manny, that your stance against the death penalty is due to your "compassion". You don't think that's more of an emotional belief than not?
You don't the differences between rifles and handguns.
Manny, you are the definition of an emotional poster. The only people who post here with more emotion might be Whottt and Spurgal. I guess if you call Dan's agenda an emotion, he could qualify as 1 here.
Des, you are correct in that, and it's the one that I mentoined above. However, I have been on the record of saying that a mistake free death penalty system would have my psuedo support. Also, my lack of support for the death penalty stems from in large degree to the lack of real proof of any positive imfluences of capital punishment, so there are contributing factors to the emotional one. Generaly, I admit that is something that does have an emotional base, which is why I was quick to mention it above.
Chris, you fail to differentiate passionatly arguing your beliefs and establshing your beliefs on emotion. For instance, I'm personaly disgusted with hard core drug use. I've seen it's effects first hand, and it's horrible. I support legalization of all drugs. Does that sound like basing a belief on emotion to you?
Sorry Manny, didn't see that above. Distractions. But here, doesn't this sound a bit emotional to you?
Re: No Money For You!
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Yeah, he is living proof it should be done.
But don't sit there and give me when more money is being poored into the pockets of corporations by this government while college students and other people are given the ing shaft.
It's our tax money too, asshole. And pardon me if I get tired of seeing it go to programs that many times do little more than line the pockets of those with pockets lined with gold already.
You must know, you can't say things this way and not be accused of being overly emotional at times! You're brighter than that.
I'm a very emotional and passionate person, but my support for student aid is primarily based on the large benefit it has on a society wide basis.
People can accuse me of being over emotional, and they're going to be right much of the time. Well, at least in how I present my side of things on this forum. However, in the proper situations some people in here might find it nothing short of amazing how well I control my emotions.
Also, there are rational reasons for everything I believe and stand for that outweight any emotional reason I would have for the stance. The Death Penalty is the closest one that might not have that, but it's no where near cut and dry. I do find it odd that people here can't differentiate between expressing your beliefs and actualy forming those stances.
Once again though, I'm probably arguing a pointless and unwinable arguement.
But when you express yourself in such an emotional fashion, you have to expect people to assume that that is also how you form your opinions to begin with.
Yes, there is such a thing as adoption, but you still have to go through a pregnancy and childbirth to get there, which is physically traumatic, and you have to give up a child which is emotionally traumatic as well - I'm adopted myself and have recently been exposed to letters from my birthmother at the time of the adoption - it's not easy - it's wrenching. You're not going to get away from the fact that it's a lose/lose situation - I don't think, however, that you can force your child to go through a pregnancy and childbirth - that's child abuse. Forcing them to go through an abortion would be the same thing. No, the girl hasn't made good choices - but that doesn't justify forcing her to have the child.1. There is such a thing as adoption.
2. Because their kid obviously made such good choices to begin with
Then we're back to the whole choices issue. If a girl doesn't want to go through pregnancy and childbirth, she shouldn't get pregnant. Even at such a young age, she can figure that out. Being young doesn't automatically make you stupid.
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