Death threats against Michael Schiavo

[GoldToe]

Yes, and for the better. Actually, it appears the Iraqis are now determining their own quality of life thanks to the coalition of the willing, led by President Bush.

[The Ressurrected One]

I find it ironic that some people who claim to be pro-life advocate the death penalty, war and killing people when it suits their causes.

Innocence vs. irreparable human s in the case of the death penalty.

Greater good and world stability in the case of war. Let me pose a couple of questions:

Should any war in which "collateral damage" cannot be prevented be fought? Shouldn't the argument be over the legitimacy of the war and not the harsh realities of any war?

You're welcome. I'm betting you voted for the "nuanced" candidate, no?

Seriously, given you think it is ironic...wouldn't it be equally ironic that some oppose the death penalty but find nothing wrong with abortion or euthenasia. That some are willing to exhaust the courts (and, in the process, the rest of us) to insure a admitted, confessed, and guilty murderer, sentenced to die, can remain on the state "life support" for more than 20 years while we er over whether or not his jury was properly instructed? And, that these same people are willing to block factual information being provided to those contemplating abortion?

At least my position would save innocent life. How many condemned murderers have had their death sentences commuted to life and then, on a quirk in the law, been released to kill again? I know of a widower in Waco, who lost his pregnant wife in the 90's, who would have given anything if the death penalty had been carried out as it had been prescribed for a certain murderer convicted and sentenced to die for killing three teenagers in the 60's.

Sorry, I believe your position is more ironic than mine.

[The Ressurrected One]

I take it you disagree?

Are the Iraqis now worse off than when they were ruled by Saddam Hussein?

[desflood]

no

[Drachen]

Innocence vs. irreparable human s in the case of the death penalty.

Greater good and world stability in the case of war. Let me pose a couple of questions:

Should any war in which "collateral damage" cannot be prevented be fought? Shouldn't the argument be over the legitimacy of the war and not the harsh realities of any war?

Well if the liberation of people under tyrannical s is a reason for a legitimate war, then there were surely better examples than Iraq.

Seriously, given you think it is ironic...wouldn't it be equally ironic that some oppose the death penalty but find nothing wrong with abortion or euthenasia. That some are willing to exhaust the courts (and, in the process, the rest of us) to insure a admitted, confessed, and guilty murderer, sentenced to die, can remain on the state "life support" for more than 20 years while we er over whether or not his jury was properly instructed? And, that these same people are willing to block factual information being provided to those contemplating abortion?

At least my position would save innocent life. How many condemned murderers have had their death sentences commuted to life and then, on a quirk in the law, been released to kill again? I know of a widower in Waco, who lost his pregnant wife in the 90's, who would have given anything if the death penalty had been carried out as it had been prescribed for a certain murderer convicted and sentenced to die for killing three teenagers in the 60's.

Sorry, I believe your position is more ironic than mine.

My anti-death penalty position will also save innocent life. How many innocent men and women have NOT had their death sentences commuted only to pay for crimes they didnt commit. I really dont find anything ironic about either situation because they are different. The ONLY thing I find ironic about this case is that I am willing to let courts decide the matter for terry, but not for death penalty candidates. (and for those on the opposite side the opposite is ironic). The only reason I stand on the side that I do, is that Mr. Schaivo has no motivation that I can see to have her dead (other than her wishes). He has, in fact, huge motivation to keep her alive (all the money offered to him). Although, as Manny has pointed out, its not up to him anymore. Also whoever brought up the book deal and the crappy network movie: This would have never gotten that far if it wasnt for the parents, jeb and george bush, and the Congress.

[The Ressurrected One]

Well if the liberation of people under tyrannical s is a reason for a legitimate war, then there were surely better examples than Iraq.

None that served our national security interest or global security interests so well though. And, the rest of the totalitarian regimes in the middle east are on notice...plus we have a base of operation from which to operate militarily in the region now.

My anti-death penalty position will also save innocent life. How many innocent men and women have NOT had their death sentences commuted only to pay for crimes they didnt commit.

Not nearly as many as have been aborted and unplugged.

...that I can see...

'nough said.

[Drachen]

None that served our national security interest or global security interests so well though. And, the rest of the totalitarian regimes in the middle east are on notice...plus we have a base of operation from which to operate militarily in the region now.

Not nearly as many as have been aborted and unplugged.

'nough said.

Well what sways your opinion in this case that the courts have decided wrong as opposed to in a death penalty case?

[ChumpDumper]

I have to want to kill somebody in the news; it's the only I can hear myself on the radio.

[The Ressurrected One]

Well what sways your opinion in this case that the courts have decided wrong as opposed to in a death penalty case?

That Mrs. Schiavo has absolutely no say in her disposition and that, just as it is in the case of an unborn child, there is no scientific way to know, with any certainty, what her actual level of awareness might be.

Death row inmates made a choice that put them where they are.

[Bandit2981]

there is no scientific way to know, with any certainty, what her actual level of awareness might be

i thought they had done brain tests on her, and the tests showed absolutely no electrical activity going on

[The Ressurrected One]

i thought they had done brain tests on her, and the tests showed absolutely no electrical activity going on

Nope. That would be defined as brain dead.

The current diagnosis for Mrs. Schiavo is "persistent vegetative state." The problem with that diagnosis is that it was made many years ago and, it appears, there are various degrees of consciousness that were not taken into consideration back when Mrs. Schiavo's diagnosis was "put to chart" as they say. Now, there is a level of consciousness just above "persistent vegetative state," and according to the neurologist that examined her just three weeks ago, he believes she may fall into this category of brain-injured patient.

Mrs. Schiavo has responded to stimuli. Mrs. Schiavo has held her gaze on people and objects. Mrs. Schiavo voluntarily smiles at certain voices and noises.

The problem appears to be that she's a victim of the medical community not having enough categories of diagnosis for severly brain-injured patients 15 years ago and, her husband, Michael Schiavo (while, by all accounts, has taken very good care of her), has resisted further medical treatments and evaluations for about the past 7 years which, not coincidentally I imagine, coincides with the time he suddenly remembered their 8 years earlier conversation.

[ChumpDumper]

Which doctor is this?

[Bandit2981]

Nope. That would be defined as brain dead

well, here is what i read:

http://www.techcentralstation.com/032405I.html

The medical reality of Ms. Schiavo's case is this: She has been in what is medically referred to as a "permanent vegetative state" for the past 15 years, ever since her heart temporarily stopped (probably due to the severe effects of an eating disorder), depriving her brain of oxygen. Brain scans indicate that her cerebral cortex ceased functioning -- probably just after she experienced cardiac arrest in 1990. Ms. Schiavo's CAT scan shows massive shrinking of the brain, and her EEG is flat. Physicians confirm that there is no electrical activity coming from her brain. While the family video repeatedly shown on television suggests otherwise, her non-functioning cortex precludes cognition, including any ability to interact or communicate with people or show any signs of awareness. Dozens of experts over the years who have examined Ms. Schiavo agree that there is no hope of her recovering -- even though her body, face and eyes (if she is given food and hydration) might continue to move for decades to come.

[The Ressurrected One]

well, here is what i read:

http://www.techcentralstation.com/032405I.html

If that were the case, she'd be on a respirator and a "thumper."

[Drachen]

That Mrs. Schiavo has absolutely no say in her disposition and that, just as it is in the case of an unborn child, there is no scientific way to know, with any certainty, what her actual level of awareness might be.

Death row inmates made a choice that put them where they are.

Not the innocent ones. You are willing to accept with full faith the a death sentence as long as it is in a criminal trial, yet you are not able to accept the same in this case, even though both have been handed down by the courts.

[Bandit2981]

If that were the case, she'd be on a respirator and a "thumper."

you're a neurologist now?

[The Ressurrected One]

Not the innocent ones. You are willing to accept with full faith the a death sentence as long as it is in a criminal trial, yet you are not able to accept the same in this case, even though both have been handed down by the courts.

No, not the case. But, you're arguing the exception against the rule.

There are no exceptions for people situated like Mrs. Schiavo and unborn children. They're all innocent.

[The Ressurrected One]

you're a neurologist now?

Maybe.

[ChumpDumper]

Which doctor?

[Drachen]

No, not the case. But, you're arguing the exception against the rule.

There are no exceptions for people situated like Mrs. Schiavo and unborn children. They're all innocent.

And why does this matter, you know the thing about the exceptions: They're all innocent.

[The Ressurrected One]

Which doctor?

William Cheshire, Jr.

[Guru of Nothing]

The only true "pro-lifers" are hard core Buddhist monks, Mikey. They won't kill anything that is alive, not even an insect. They are consistant across the board. Everyone else is selling something or pushing an agenda with their situational "morality".

Actually, I think you are referring to Jainists.

I could be wrong.

[The Ressurrected One]

And why does this matter, you know the thing about the exceptions: They're all innocent.

Well, for one, I too am horrified that anyone would be wrongly put to death but, I am not willing to throw the baby out with the bathwater and just discontinue capital punishment wholesale. I believe capital punishment, with it's flaws, has prevented exponentially more innocents from dying than its killed. So, let's fix it.

But, on the other hand, there can be no argument that Mrs. Schiavo (never having been tried for a capital offense) and all unborn children are innocent. 100% of them.

[ChumpDumper]

William Cheshire, Jr.

My reply is in the other thread.

[Guru of Nothing]

Let me tell you something else. You can be sure Frankenmichael is looking out for his quality of life. It's all about lookin out for #1 for that rat bas . Terri can't push up daisies fast enough for that monster.

Blind blind blind ing justice.

See you guys later, I gotta go take big michael schiavo.

And Terri's soul goes to Heaven, correct? It's a win/win in my book.