No no NO!
6000 year old EARTH, man!
God did it, bro!
LA LA LA LA...I cant heeeeeeear you!
Whatever. Let those who doubt continue to doubt, let those who do not doubt continue as well.
This goes both ways.
Anyone ever see that movie Dogma. Funny stuff. I didn't like Carlin playing that Bishop though.
Anyhoo...
They are looking for a common ancestor. That is nice. I think the evidence is cir statial, but I would like them to address the Neandratol debate more. Based on current genetic variation, I just don't see why Occam's Razor doesn't come into play to say they were not a seporate species...
The evidence is overwhelming.
On the internet, I agree. If you don't care to argue, then fine.
But in real life, your at ude stinks because people who believe in creation aggressively dismiss science, raise their kids to believe in those things, and try to sneak into public schools to corrupt children away from scientific observation.
It's a conflict of interest. There's no getting around it. You can't just hope it goes away, and in this case, science HAS to win or else we get thrown in the dark ages again (not going to happen, but you know what I mean)
Whatever happened to humpty?The evidence is overwhelming.
Just saw a commercial for a show called "The Link: this changes everything" thats going to air on The History Channel about this find. Will be on Monday at 8 CST.
sounds like you bought into some History propaganda if you ask me. This is no link, but a common ancestor of both apes and men. Upon further reading, they are proposing its the earliest link between man and elephants, zebras, etc ...
the link ...i am interested in an explanation for a few things. Chances are they won't address many pertinent issues, but there's always hope for some ridiculous claims to e up the program.
a couple things they will hopefully answer: a) which primate this most resembles and why it cannot be that species, b) why they never pieced the two skeletons together before, and c) a little more explanation on how the food in its stomach was preserved for 47 million years.
Last edited by z0sa; 05-21-2009 at 11:53 PM.
since we're on primates ...
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...-missions.html
PHOTO IN THE NEWS: "Extinct" Primate Found in Indonesia
PHOTO IN THE NEWS: "Extinct" Primate Found in Indonesia
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It may look like a gremlin, but this tiny animal is actually a pygmy tarsier, recently rediscovered in the forests of Indonesia.
The 2-ounce (57-gram) carnivorous primate had not been seen alive since the 1920s.
That was until researchers on a summer expedition captured, tagged, and released three members of the species (including this individual, above).
"Everyone's always talking about pygmy tarsiers," said lead researcher Sharon Gursky-Doyen, a professor at Texas A&M University.
"There have been dozens of expeditions looking for them—all unsuccessful. I needed to go and try to see for myself if they were really there or if they were really extinct," added Gursky-Doyen, whose research was funded in part by the National Geographic Society's Conservation Trust.
Once relatively abundant among the mossy, forested mountain slopes of Lore Lindu National Park in central Sulawesi, the pygmy tarsier population may have shrunk when logging in the 1970s destroyed its habitat, Gursky-Doyen said.
The nocturnal creatures rely on darkness to avoid predation. However in fragmented forests, the canopy lets in more moonlight, exposing the small animal to birds and other predators as it leaps from tree to tree.
Gursky-Doyen said she hopes the find will inspire the Indonesian government to protect the species and its habitat.
"[The] government needs to figure out a compromise between people and animals living in Lore Lindu."
—Tasha Eichenseher
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how can we see this^ and not require hard, verifiable evidence on the aforementioned fossil species' age and classification? distinguishable traits if you will.
Last edited by z0sa; 05-21-2009 at 11:36 PM.
That's a funny requirement coming from someone who believes in the bible 'just because', a book that was written by humans back in the bronze age about magic and super powers.
misinformation. This is a false quote I never made.
my beliefs, while obviously leaning towards one of the two sides in this great debate, have never been identified.
MiamiHeat sadly does not understand, or is simply not aware, that many scholars who may or may not believe in a holy book's supernatural message still study its archaeological/moral teachings and wide arching influences on humanity.
Additionally, your bronze age/magic powers argument is easily overlooked. The Bible (or whatever) has quantifiable results every day that passes, and has ever since its origin. You can't fix what isn't broken. Besides, there's plenty of people who would profess the "magic powers" continue to work even now.
Last edited by z0sa; 05-22-2009 at 08:09 AM.
Your assumption that I "bought into something" is assinine. Im just saying there's a show thats going to air on monday. No need to get all defensive about your man in the sky.sounds like you bought into some History propaganda if you ask me. This is no link, but a common ancestor of both apes and men. Upon further reading, they are proposing its the earliest link between man and elephants, zebras, etc ...
the link ...
a couple things they will hopefully answer: a) which primate this most resembles and why it cannot be that species, b) why they never pieced the two skeletons together before, and c) a little more explanation on how the food in its stomach was preserved for 47 million years.
It is funny when they refer to scientists as being dogmatic. The mind-blowing part is where the religious nuts struggle with evolution but buy into Noah's ark.
I said it "sounds" like you bought into some history propaganda, not that you did - the assumption was that they have already made anyone do so by convincing you "this [the link] changes everything". Use your critical thinking about what the program is called compared to what its actually related to. "The link: this changes everything" implies a different sort of link if you ask me - one between our ancestor and neanderthals, not one before any of the apes appeared in an attempt to connect us with simpler mammals. This is a large scientific find, but I'll bet they're hardpressed to make something viewer friendly enough to not fill it with random opinion-facts interlaced throughout. Hence buying into their propaganda.
I apologize. I didn't want to mean it that way, like you specifically bought into everything, sorry about that. That le is bs is what i was probably getting at. And thanks for the announcement of the program.
Last edited by z0sa; 05-22-2009 at 08:51 AM.
The Liger is a terrible example to advocate the theory of evolution....
If anything it shows that Lions and Tigers all descended from the same kind... How exactly does this fact contradict the Bible?
But I don't want to get caught up in these stupid threads again... especially not before a 3-day weekend. We get it... most of you all hate Christianity or anything having to do with a belief in GOD...
And your talk about tolerance for 'other lifestyles' can barely be heard due to the deafening hypocrisy that many of you all unknowingly and sometimes willingly unleash... that is because most of you all can't even muster enough tolerance to respect their right to believe in GOD... a cons utionally protected perogative. You feel compeled to make that decision for them through derisive scorn, or by suggesting that they are somehow stupid.
Edit: clarification...
Last edited by Phenomanul; 05-22-2009 at 01:11 PM.
it's your "cons utional perogative" ftw.
Pheno,
We don't hate people with religion. We just mock those who would use it to denigrate the majority of science by placing their trust in the words of a book written centuries ago.No more so than you "hate" scientists who think that science can answer everything.
But yet you and your pals get to use fossil charts written by a man?
You monkey lovers crack me up!Cuvier do ented the fact of evolution theorists would later try to explain. He popularized the idea that fossils tell the story of past life on earth. Thus, in Essay on the Theory of the Earth (1827)
Cuvier, however, rarely speculated on the observations he reported. He seems to have been more interested in do enting the fact of evolution than in identifying the underlying biological forces that brought it about. His at ude seems to have been the same as that of modern paleontologist Stephen Jay Gould, who once told the writer that saltational change had to be accepted with or without explanation since it is an empirical fact do ented in the fossil record.
If the Earth is millions of years old why is the oldest tree found only 10,000 years old?
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0416104320.htm
For such people who hate the idea of a God and wish to honor science, how funny those same geniuses have found their Deity of Gorebage and ignore common sense.
Actually the earth is over 4 billion years old. Ever been to the petrified forest?
Are you sure? Maybe it's 3 1/2 Billion years old. Hate to bust your bubble but.... Comets and meteoroids only last from 10,000-15,000 years before they are blown apart by the solar wind. Add to the fact the sun can only burn for a few thousand years how did it survive 4 billion years?
Sure that's where I found this petrified Boot!Ever been to the petrified forest?
Sorry brah the petrified argument has been proven wrong years ago.
Clueless...Are you sure? Maybe it's 3 1/2 Billion years old. Hate to bust your bubble but.... Comets and meteoroids only last from 10,000-15,000 years before they are blown apart by the solar wind. Add to the fact the sun can only burn for a few thousand years how did it survive 4 billion years?
Sure that's where I found this petrified Boot!
Sorry brah the petrified argument has been proven wrong years ago.
The reason we say the Earth is 4.5 billion years old, is because the oldest rock using Argon radioactive dating is roughly 4 billion years old. I think it was Argon or Uranium, both have crazy half lives.
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