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    right about pizzagate Blake's Avatar
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    You've never been an employer, I see.
    Please share what business you own, how many full time employees you have as well as part time employees you have and give me a breakdown of exactly how much money you will lose by having some of those employees get a week off of work the following year after getting hired.

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    In a world where we buy needles for heroin addicts and pay mortgages for dead beats...it's not such a stretch at all.
    Is Obama giving a tax credit for first time heroin buyers?

    I wasn't aware.

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    we are talking about 5 days paid leave for the following year.

    I've worked retail before. It's not hard at all to adjust schedules in a 7 day work week to pick up the slack.

    The amount of cost you are talking about when an employee takes a day off is really very little in the grand scheme of things.
    If paid time off costs so little, then you are being a grinch.

    A little here, a little there, and soon enough you have a big number. Unless, of course, you suppose that a bunch of lawyers in DC know how to run a business.

    If the cost is little, then the value of that employee is little to a business (which is the case in many retail shops) and you just raised the cost of that employee. So in the end we end up with fewer employees. But at least the unemployed will have all the unpaid leave they want.

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    right about pizzagate Blake's Avatar
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    If paid time off costs so little, then you are being a grinch.
    I agree. There are a bunch of grinches in America.

    A little here, a little there, and soon enough you have a big number. Unless, of course, you suppose that a bunch of lawyers in DC know how to run a business.

    If the cost is little, then the value of that employee is little to a business (which is the case in many retail shops) and you just raised the cost of that employee. So in the end we end up with fewer employees. But at least the unemployed will have all the unpaid leave they want.
    out of 100 employees, I'd like to know how many you think are part timers that stay longer than a year.

    Some exact numbers would be nice so we can work with something other than your own business theories.

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    I agree. There are a bunch of grinches in America.



    out of 100 employees, I'd like to know how many you think are part timers that stay longer than a year.

    Some exact numbers would be nice so we can work with something other than your own business theories.

    So you believe the more an employer pays for an employee, which said employer cannot pass along in the price of its products and/or services, will not have a negative impact on amount of employees that employer maintains?

    I guess my argument is a 'theory' if you believe that not to be the case.

    How about you provide your own #s to prove that rising costs of production or in overhead, which can't be passed along, especially in businesses which sell goods into highly compe ive markets, to the consumer do not result in less of those inputs being purchased?

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    How European.

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    So you believe the more an employer pays for an employee, which said employer cannot pass along in the price of its products and/or services, will not have a negative impact on amount of employees that employer maintains?

    I guess my argument is a 'theory' if you believe that not to be the case.
    where are you getting the assumption that the employer would not be able to pass along the price of it's products to the consumer? What business are you talking about?

    I'm saying the negative impact is not as much as you or others are making it out to be.

    How about you provide your own #s to prove that rising costs of production or in overhead, which can't be passed along, especially in businesses which sell goods into highly compe ive markets, to the consumer do not result in less of those inputs being purchased?
    why are you sidestepping the issue? This is about part timers getting a one week vacation after being employed after a year.

    I worked at HEB years back as a service director and I can tell you what I think the scenario there would be:

    I had about 60 total checkers and carry-outs/baggers I had to schedule for, but I can make it an even 100.

    Basing rough % on the 60: out of the 100, probably 10 of those might be full time checkers with vacation and benefits.

    Out of the other 90, maybe 75 might last a full year. Out of that 75, maybe 20 of those would work close to 2000 hours during the year.

    At the time, checkers were making $7 an hour, after a year maybe $7.25, so let's say they are making $8 per hour right now.

    $8 x 40 x 20 = $6400 in "losses".

    (Frankly, the entire service department for HEB is nothing but a "loss" since it generates no direct revenue, but that's neither here nor there).

    The hours that those part timers take off are easily made up by scheduling the other part timers that work roughly 20 hours a week a few more hours.

    so all you really are out is $6400......... , make it $10,000 for the year for the other part timers that still manage to ac ulate some vacation time.

    In the long run that's nothing for the larger stores that do near a million in sales per week. If you like, you can even freeze the starting wages for several years (as HEB has done before) to help defray these initial costs.

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    Stupid idea. Don't get vacation? Go work somewhere that does.

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    Stupid idea. Don't get vacation? Go work somewhere that does.
    Yep, that's how supply and demand is suppose to work. When they cannot find employees to work for what they offer, they will have to offer more.

    If you don't like the facts, then better yourself for a better job!

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    I'm French and I thoroughly enjoy my 7 weeks of paid vacations !




    I work for a big corporation in a European division. Our HQ is in Paris and we have sales guys all over Europe from UK to Czech Republic and Spain to Sweden.

    Nobody in this team is has as much vacation as the people located in Paris but we are all more or less as productive as each other and we do the job as good as anybody.

    Typical work shift for a French employee will be much lower than one of UK employee for instance but business executives will work much longer (during their limited number of work days). My UK counterparts are on a steady 9 to 5 shift, I'm more on a 9 to 8 basis.

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    Blake, looks like France is where you need to be.

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    but but but but but Obama told me for 10 minutes yesterday he makes sweet sweet love to the cons ution on a daily basis and has the utmost respect blah blah blah blah

    you big government lovers.

    The only joy I have left is knowing I will still be able to beat you in this cluster of a system you have placed on us all.

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    Blake, looks like France is where you need to be.
    you're not really just right of Attila the Hun, are you.....

    Still waiting for you to show exactly how forcing one week's paid vacation will send companies spiraling out of control into bankruptcy.

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    Since we're throwing money around these days, why not give tax credits to small companies for giving these workers paid vacations?

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