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Would-be murderers have rights too.See how stupid correcting this over the net is?
You're still defending a would be murderer.
"defending a would be murderer"
nope, it's that you can't in read.
Would-be murderers have rights too.See how stupid correcting this over the net is?
You're still defending a would be murderer.
Depends on political affiliation, I guess.
Cops are supposed to be "above" this kind of . Yes, he tried running over a fellow officer. Buts that what you signed up for, sir. Sorry.
They dont give you a badge and a gun at your job because you have to deal with nice people.
Cops acting indignant about the s of the Earth is like a high iron worker ing about his fear of heights.
Shouldve read the job description better, bud. It isnt all donuts and gun ranges.
Lucky they didnt just shoot him. I'm down for more beating to idiot criminals.
If I ran a cop over i would expect to get my ass beat worse than this and then beaten again before sent to jail.
I don't care what political affiliation you are... murderers have rights. Pedophiles have rights. Even *gasp* terrorists! (Just as long as they're white
I agree with the rest of what you say. Just cause you're dealing with s doesn't mean you get to drop to their level.
I don't see conclusive proof that guy was unconcious.
The man was a danger to everyone around him, he attempted to murder a cop with his car and he was refusing to stop.
The cops were right to beat him until he was subdued, because he was that dangerous.
If he didn't want the beat ouit of him, he should have ing pulled over and surrendered instead of trying to kill someone and driving like a maniac. If he'd done that, I'd support the case against those cops. Since he didn't...it's truly regrettable that those cops were fired.
No way those cops should have been fired.
You force the cops to subdue you, you deserve the asskicking you get.
What will it take for you guys to understand the danger he was presenting with his carelessness? Hitting and killing a chid or something?
And based on everything I saw, there was absolutely no reason to assume that guy was fixing to surrender.
Since he was refusing to surrender, and at no point in that video did I see anything to indicate he intened to surrender or had was no longer a danger, the cops should not have treated him as someone who was doing so, they risk their own lives by making that assumption.
I saw absolutely not a one single thing in that video to prove he was unconcious.
ing head...it's too bad that crash didn't kill him. Be one less ing asshole in the world.
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BTW Manumaniac do they not have cops in Argentina or do you just enjoy spending your free time observing the actions of cops in a country you are not part of to justify some inner belief?
I'm sincerely curious. I hope it's not as obvious as it seems...I'd like to think there's more to you than that.
Beat =/= subdue.
No one could seriously argue that the guy was putting up a fight lying on the ground after he fell out of the vehicle. It's pretty obvious he could've been subdued without physical violence.
It wasn't obvious to me...all that was obvious to me was that he was thrown from a car, that doesn't mean he's unconcious, that doesn't mean he's surrendered, that doesn't mean he should be treated as a subdued suspect.
All it takes is for him to grab a gun while they are making that assumption and then people start dying.
It's easy for you to sit here on your ass on a message board judging from a position of complete ignorance when you aren't the one that has to take him down....they were, and at no point had he shown any indication he was not hostile.
On that contrary, he indicated he was willing to commit murder and reckelessly endanger any and everyone around him to avoid capture...he got off light with just getting hiss ass kicked.
I don't agree with most beatings but I don't blame the cops for getting a shot or two in on this one. Not every criminal beating is in bad taste. He wasn't just speeding. He attempted to kill what seems to be a decent cop. Some of you ing people have to live life so black and white.
Looks to me like the "victim" tried to run over the officer who was laying the e strip.
Guy got what he deserved. Besides, he doesn't even remember the beating. LOL.
And it's easy for you to also make such assumptions.
However, the fact that he was immobile upon being thrown from a speeding car does not mean that cops get to take free shots on him.
Should they have rushed up on him to subdue/secure? Sure. But that does not involve punching him repeatedly. In fact, if you watch the video again, you can tell that they aren't trying to subdue him; they're just hitting him, instead of flipping him over and cuffing him.
Also, I'm not arguing that the guy didn't deserve the beating. I am merely stating that the cops did not perform their duties correctly.
I'm surprised they stopped so quickly. That actually showed a little restraint.
It was a pretty bad idea since they could have aggravated a possible neck/spine injury, but it's hard to blame them for wanting to beat the dude.
Yeah..it's easy for me to assume that he was willing to kill people to escape capture and was completely unwilling to surrender. It's easy for me to assume that based on the rather lengthy video showing just that.
Yes it does, because his so called "immobility" could be a very temporary thing and he shown nothing to indicate he was not going to resist arrest.However, the fact that he was immobile upon being thrown from a speeding car does not mean that cops get to take free shots on him.
Should they have rushed up on him to subdue/secure? Sure. But that does not involve punching him repeatedly.
I'm sorry but you are stupid and completely ignorant about subduing a hostile criminal.In fact, if you watch the video again, you can tell that they aren't trying to subdue him; they're just hitting him, instead of flipping him over and cuffing him.
That ignorance is the entire cause of our disagreement. Because you have never subdued a criminal, because you likely have never known anyone that has or if you have you haven't talked to them about it, and if you did you weren't paying attentiobn...yet here you are appointing yourself as an expert inspite of blatant ignorance of the pratfalls of subduing a hostile criminal...
That guy was still dangerous as far as anyone knew, and it is ignorant to assume that he was not a threat...it assumes he was completely incapacitated from being thrown from that car, and that is a completely ignorant assumption to make based on his actions in this video.
Comepletely ignorant, made by someone who is ignorant of the procedures involved, and who was not in the same danger as those cops were.
Not to mention the equally ignorant assumption that being thrown from a car is always incapacitating.
That criminal was clearly a dangerous asshole and the state of Alabama is now down five competent cops because of that stupid ing mayor and people like yourself that are too stupid to understand that being thrown from a car doesn't mean you are no longer a danger and that a criminal refusing to surrender opens himself up to use of force to subdue him.
Last edited by whottt; 05-26-2009 at 03:39 PM.
his safety and well being...his safety and well being comes after those on the surrounding highway, and after the cops. His safety and well being comes last, because he was the guy driving like a maniac, refusing to surrender and attempting to kill people to evade arrest.
Cops>Crimnals...they are not equal.
Attempted Murder > crime than a definite ass kicking.
He was threatening their lives and the lives of everyone around him, they had every right to treat him as someone who was doing so...and he definitely got off light.
You don't even have to take the actual well-being of the criminal into account -- they were making themselves and the city open to enormous liability.
It was a bad idea. You can complain about it, but it's true.
pfff what the does that have to do with anything? yeah we have cops over here, and they're even worst than this. Plus, they get away with it. Happy? I criticize them too. In fact, I'll criticize whoever the I like, be it Argentinian or American, no matter how much it hurts that fragile ego of yours.
Plus I'm not criticizing cops in the U.S. in general jackass, I'm saying those idiots 1) shouldn't have done that and 2) if they were going to do it, have the common sense not to do it in front of the ing cameras(the latter was a joke, just in case your dumbass doesn't get it.)
I really find it hilarious that you feel identified by this, as if me briging this sort of its due attention is somehow a "foreigner's way of putting down America". You seriously have an inferiority complex the size of Texas, don't you?
Cops are not supposed to let themselves be driven by emotions. I surprised this is so ing hard to understand. They're cops, and with all the authority that brings, comes tremendous responsability. I don't think this low life piece of that tried to run over the cop should get off scot free, but that's for a court to decide. Its not whether or not the bag deserved the beating (which he did), its about overstepping boundaries that are there for a reason.
@ not being able to tell whether the crook was unconcious or not. He got thrown out of a ing car and was not moving by the time the cops got to him. The beating was revenge, it had nothing to do with subduing. The cops were fired justifyably.
Times like this I understand why cops get bitter...I mean a lot of the people they are trying to protect don't deserve their protection...
Pretty much everyone in this thread who is taking the side of a reckless and hostile criminal over that of 5 near as I can tell extremely competent and restrained poliice officers all things considered, don't deserve their protection.
So let's look at what has happened....because some asshole refused to surrender and attempted to murder and recklessly endanger everyone on a surrounding a highway, these 5 cops were fired?
That is the bad idea...stupid stupid people. It assumes being a cop is easy...an assumption being made by near as I can tell, not a cop among us...and gives a hostile, murderous piece of more empathy and concern than the 5 sane guys who risked their lives to take him down.
What an ignorant ing society we have.
i saw worse beatings in elementary school...gimme a break.
pfff what the does that have to do with anything? yeah we have cops over here, and they're even worst than this. Plus, they get away with it. Happy? I criticize them too. In fact, I'll criticize whoever the I like, be it Argentinian or American, no matter how much it hurts that fragile ego of yours.
Plus I'm not criticizing cops in the U.S. in general jackass, I'm saying those idiots 1) shouldn't have done that and 2) if they were going to do it, have the common sense not to do it in front of the ing cameras
I really find it hilarious that you feel identified by this, as if me briging this sort of its due attention is somehow a "foreigner's way of putting down America". You seriously have an inferiority complex the size of Texas, don't you?
Cops are not supposed to let themselves be driven by emotions. I surprised this is so ing hard to understand. They're cops, and with all the authority that brings, comes tremendous responsability. I don't think this low life piece of that tried to run over the cop should get off scot free, but that's for a court to decide. Its not whether or not the bag deserved the beating (which he did), its about overstepping boundaries that are there for a reason.
Their job was to subdue him first, ascertain the state of his health second, since he had shown nothing but a willingness to kill anyone in his way, they were totally correct in what they did.
I mean you act like the guy couldn't be faking it, like he couldn't recover, like unconciousness has a set duration...all this happened much faster than you seem to think it did...
Anytime a guy is refusing to surrender and endangering others...and especially showing a willingness to murder, his safety and well being is the absolute last priority, in fact, it's completely ok to kill him if necessary in that situation.
You are supposed to surrender if the cops are chasing you, if you refuse, what comes after is on you.
IF you surrender and then cops beat the out of you...I am all for maximum prosecution of those cops.
People somehow think this aggressive behavior is somehow unique to police officers. Anyone remember what happened to Richard Ramirez, a.k.a. "the night stalker" when he was spotted in LA? They pretty much went medieval on his ass before the cops got there and saved him.
I disagree. Yes their job was to subdue him first, but the guy just got thrown out of a rolling vehicle for christ sake... did you not see the video or what?? How do you fake that ? I'm sorry, but IMO it was pretty damn obvious the man wasn't getting up. Besides, you don't need 5 officers kicking and punching to subdue an individual, specially one in the condition.
Plus, I don't understand where you're coming from here. I mean, they either were subduing him and the hits were necesary or they were being unproffesional and you're trying to justify the hits because he almost ran over their fellow cop. Neither of those scenarios is acceptable IMO, because 1) how is it proper procedure for a cop to punch and kick a person into submision, let alone 5? and 2) if its not procedure, which it's not, then the hits can't be justified no matter what the crook did prior to that.
Again, I'm not justifying what that lowlife did. If he had been killed in the crash it would have saved everyone a lot of trouble. The reality of the matter is, he didn't.
Last edited by MaNuMaNiAc; 05-26-2009 at 04:57 PM. Reason: Forgot the "not" part :D
I hate agreeing with you but I think you nailed it.
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