Raptors are interested in a package deal that would involve Chris Bosh

[DPG21920]

Duncan was not the first option offensively this year and Wade, Kobe and Lebron are all better than TP.

[ducks]

Duncan was not the first option offensively this year and Wade, Kobe and Lebron are all better than TP.

there was times duncan was

[DPG21920]

Those times would be few and far between if the Spurs had Lebron or Kobe or Wade. But, back the issue, it would be a gamble to trade Gino for Bosh.

1) if Gino is healthy, I would rather have TP+Gino+TD
2) if Gino is not, I would rather have Bosh
3) it could very well end up being a one year rental with Bosh, so then you would lose Manu and Bosh, especially if Manu was traded and was healthy at the same time
4) I do not think there is any way Toronto listens to the Spurs if the offer is Manu anyways. Manu probably would not want to play in Toronto either, so he would be gone.

[duncan228]

Although Carlos Boozer could be headed to Detroit in a free-agent deal in July, there's a chance he'll end up going to Toronto in a package for Chris Bosh. The Bulls remain interested in Bosh, but Luol Deng would have to be part of a package going to the Raptors. The Raptors, privately, are acknowledging for the first time that they might need to trade Bosh, rather than risk losing him to free agency in 2010.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ba...ut.html?page=1

[ducks]

Those times would be few and far between if the Spurs had Lebron or Kobe or Wade. But, back the issue, it would be a gamble to trade Gino for Bosh.

1) if Gino is healthy, I would rather have TP+Gino+TD
2) if Gino is not, I would rather have Bosh
3) it could very well end up being a one year rental with Bosh, so then you would lose Manu and Bosh, especially if Manu was traded and was healthy at the same time
4) I do not think there is any way Toronto listens to the Spurs if the offer is Manu anyways. Manu probably would not want to play in Toronto either, so he would be gone.

it might be a gamble to lose bosh
but you have a year to prove to him how much you like him
and he would enjoy winning

[DPG21920]

Spurs would have a major hole a SG.

You have to ask yourself which scenario you like better:

TP+Manu with Mason/Hill as back up+SF+Tim+Bonner/KT/Ian

or

TP+Mason with Hill as back up+SF+Tim+Bosh

Then you have to ask yourself if scenario 2 was better, what would be the odds of Bosh staying and then calculate if the risk of Bosh leaving is worth the gain in scenario 2 over 1.

[DPG21920]

I just think Toronto will pull a Detroit a la Sheed and not trade him unless they get an equal talent. I know people say that no one wants to play in Toronto, but if they have the money, someone will sell out for sure.

So why trade for pennies on the dollar, when you could just wait and see how things shake out and sign a FA who would be better than just a salary dump.

[DPG21920]

Ya, but Fish is not a FA apples-to-apples comparison. A guy like Boozer, if he was offered max money would go to Toronto. Money talks in this league and if Bosh walks and they have his money to sign another FA, they could probably get something better than they could get via trade from a position of weakness.

I agree that Toronto will open to trading Bosh, but only if they get a pretty comparable talent.

[Rogue]

If I were colongelo I would trade Bosh for Josh Howard rather than Carlos Boozer, Boozer won't do anything to the Raptors but holding this team back with is outrageous contract about to be signed this summer. Carlos boozer had better not opt out his contract, other wise he would become the last person for any team to consider signing. Even Josh Howard is more attractive to the Raptors IMHO, and everyone knows how little I evaluate the Smokey.

[21_Blessings]

Why would Boozer want to play for Detroit? Is Rasheed coming back?

Detroit will most likely have enough cap space to go after Wade in 2010. And the only way a player like Wade would consider going to Detroit is if they were good enough to win it. Stuckey/Boozer/Wade core is a monster in a weak Eastern Conference.

[sananspursfan21]

how come this hasn't been redirected to the nba forum yet cuz this really has nothing to do with the spurs

[my2sons]

In a way I agree, but then again Manu is either the second or third option on nights with the Spurs. When Manu becomes the first option for the Spurs he puts up rediculous numbers. If Kobe were the second to third option he might put up Manu numbers, but he is the star in his system.

Those 8 point nights are most likely nights when Tim was option number 1 (as he almost always is) and Tony was option number 2. As the point guard Tony really has the power to say if Manu is going to have a chance to take over.

If Manu and Wade were to switch places the numbers would switch as well. At least that is my opinion.

Why would toronto do a trade involving manu, wouldn't they want parker instead or are they logjammed at the point

[ploto]

Some players don't want to play in Toronto because of high taxes and the very high cost of living. Sometimes the Raptors have to overpay to compensate for this.

[rascal]

Spurs would have a major hole a SG.

You have to ask yourself which scenario you like better:

TP+Manu with Mason/Hill as back up+SF+Tim+Bonner/KT/Ian

or

TP+Mason with Hill as back up+SF+Tim+Bosh

Then you have to ask yourself if scenario 2 was better, what would be the odds of Bosh staying and then calculate if the risk of Bosh leaving is worth the gain in scenario 2 over 1.

I like scenario 2. The spurs are not winning anything with a weak frontline and Manu. Bosh is younger and already better than Manu and he is also a star front line player. The spurs won't be getting anyone that good on the front line.

You get Bosh and find a way to keep him after next year.

[rascal]

The Spurs are interested in making Bosh their 2010 FA. If we could get him a year early in a trade that would certainly be interesting.

Trading for a star is the best way to get him. Relying on a free agent signing is fools gold. The spurs have been down that road before and struck out.

[DPG21920]

I like scenario 2. The spurs are not winning anything with a weak frontline and Manu. Bosh is younger and already better than Manu and he is also a star front line player. The spurs won't be getting anyone that good on the front line.

You get Bosh and find a way to keep him after next year.

Spurs have won with Manu and a weak front line before (Rasho, Elson...). Rolling with Mason and Hill as the only SG's would be terrible. Not to mention, they would probably want hill to go along with Gino in a trade.

I am not saying Bosh would not help, I just do not know if it is better or by how much to risk a possible 1 year rental.

[ducks]

Spurs have won with Manu and a weak front line before (Rasho, Elson...). Rolling with Mason and Hill as the only SG's would be terrible. Not to mention, they would probably want hill to go along with Gino in a trade.

I am not saying Bosh would not help, I just do not know if it is better or by how much to risk a possible 1 year rental.

mason was not terrible tell he tried to play point guard and lost his confidence

[DPG21920]

Where did I say he was terrible? He would be asked to play the Manu role and he would fail. He is a spot up shooter who relies on others to get his shot.

Just because you hate Manu, does not mean Mason could fill that void. At all.

[ducks]

Where did I say he was terrible? He would be asked to play the Manu role and he would fail. He is a spot up shooter who relies on others to get his shot.

Just because you hate Manu, does not mean Mason could fill that void. At all.

yeah those game winners failed
how many did he miss

[ducks]

Where did I say he was terrible? He would be asked to play the Manu role and he would fail. He is a spot up shooter who relies on others to get his shot.

Just because you hate Manu, does not mean Mason could fill that void. At all.

bosh and tp could make those free throws down the stretch not just manu

duncan has made alot also
ps did you realize tp was more clutch then manu was last year

[ducks]

Where did I say he was terrible? He would be asked to play the Manu role and he would fail. He is a spot up shooter who relies on others to get his shot.

Just because you hate Manu, does not mean Mason could fill that void. At all.

hopefully bosh would make up for alot of it
mason would not have to

[DPG21920]

yeah those game winners failed
how many did he miss

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/roger_mason/index.html

bosh and tp could make those free throws down the stretch not just manu

duncan has made alot also
ps did you realize tp was more clutch then manu was last year

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/roger_mason/index.html

Yes I noticed TP playing a lot more. I also noticed TP being clutch and scoring 40 and getting bounced in the first round. Would Bosh have helped? Of course. Would it have been enough to get by the Mavs? I do not know, but it certainly would not have been enough to win a le.

hopefully bosh would make up for alot of it
mason would not have to

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/roger_mason/index.html


To put this in perspective, Mason was sandwiched between Bonner (+3) and Finley (+7) in playoff efficiency.

[ducks]

bosh,tp, duncan
might have gotten the job done

bosh has been great in his 11 playoff games

bosh>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>manu

did you also think denver would have given the lakers so much trouble?
did you think houston without ming and mcgrady took them to 7 games?

did you think cavs would not have been in the finals?

if bosh could guard howard
mavs would easily get beat
howard always goes off even if manu is playing

[ducks]

I know mason sucked in the playoffs
he hit late clutch shots (like manu)
how many game winners did manu make this year?

mason's confidence in the playoffs was shot do to trying to play point guard

or and I think manu's stat line looked like alot like mcgreedy and ai this postseason

[ducks]

oh just because you a manu homer
does not mean spurs can not win a le without him
they need three stars and one of the other players to step up in a game
this year they had duncan and tp and no one else