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    Crash is a pretty good distillation (the movie was crappy, but accurate) though he gave a hint of his cheekiness in his short story "The Assassination of JFK Considered as a Downhill Road Race".

    Empire of the Sun was made into a movie directed by Stephen Spielberg.

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    True, but if Iraq is any example it's now expected to clean up after your own mess. You bomb it, you bought it.
    What?

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    Concrete Island and High Rise focus on more explicitly survivalistic urban themes.

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    Sure it does. If we have a civil war are other countries going to come in and rebuild for us? Or do we have to foot that bill ourselves?
    You know, there are a fair number of wars in history where things just don't ever get put back together the way they were.

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    Crash is a pretty good distillation (the movie was crappy, but accurate) though he gave a hint of his cheekiness in his short story "The Assassination of JFK Considered as a Downhill Road Race".

    Empire of the Sun was made into a movie directed by Stephen Spielberg.
    I had been thinking of developing a dystopian story that wasn't trying too hard to be a dystopian story.

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    ehh... that depends. You're trying to somehow equate this to the Iraq war.

    If China came in and sided with the People's Republic of California and proceeded to help the PRC invade New Nevada... then yes, China would have a vested interest in building up the lands they just conquered.

    If it's just hot American on American action, then I'd expect nobody to help. At least not in any altruistic capacity.
    Yeah, if we're talking about one of these "wars of opportunity" like Iraq where the idea is to rebuild a country into something easier to exploit economically... there is an unspoken assumption that leaving said country in ruins doesn't quite fit the objective.

    On the other hand, in a war of "it's your fault all this bad stuff happened; we hate you and want to kill as many of you as we can," leaving the country in ruins is the point.

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    I had been thinking of developing a dystopian story that wasn't trying too hard to a dystopian story.
    That would be like the opposite of Crash.

    Have you read The Road?

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    by Cormac McCarthy.

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    Had this argument at work, what are your thoughts. I argued that the 'baby-boomers' are the most worthless, wreckless, and ed up generation in the history of America. Their social, political, and financial "ways" have ruined everything for every generation beyond them.


    Thoughts?
    Who cares, they all taser the same..


    ...proceed with your inter-generational squabble....

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    That would be like the opposite of Crash.

    Have you read The Road?
    I've read The Road.

    My idea, only very nebulous, is of a future where a sort of virtual Gnosticism is the norm, where people's minds are directly tied to the global electronic network, and people become so engrossed with the false world found therein that it becomes their true world, where all their experiences, sensations, relationships, work, etc. are found, and the physical, external world becomes irrelevant and more or less an impediment to them.

    But write it from the perspective of somebody in that world, where such an existence is considered the norm. Don't call attention to the premise.

    One key problem is that I am not good at writing.

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    But write it from the perspective of somebody in that world, where such an existence is considered the norm. Don't call attention to the premise.

    One key problem is that I am not good at writing.
    Not that I am either, but you can use tricks..

    Like Flann O Brien's the Third Policeman. To tell you more would ruin it, but I consider it a real feat of storytelling, and it relates to what you just said.

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    Where talent fails us, tricknology rushes in.

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    Make things difficult?

    Get tazed.

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    millennials are a close second

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    Who cares, they all taser the same..


    ...proceed with your inter-generational squabble....
    I saw that in the news last night. I cannot believe it. You don't taser a feisty granny. She wasn't a threat. That officer should be jailed for assault.

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    I've read The Road.

    My idea, only very nebulous, is of a future where a sort of virtual Gnosticism is the norm, where people's minds are directly tied to the global electronic network, and people become so engrossed with the false world found therein that it becomes their true world, where all their experiences, sensations, relationships, work, etc. are found, and the physical, external world becomes irrelevant and more or less an impediment to them.

    But write it from the perspective of somebody in that world, where such an existence is considered the norm. Don't call attention to the premise.

    One key problem is that I am not good at writing.
    Not sure if you've ever watched Red Dwarf (a BBC sitcom), but they have a 'game' called Better than Life that's very similar to what you're describing. One of the novels do examine the game from inside, at least, for a section of it.

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    Make things difficult?

    Get tazed.
    Don't taze me, bro!

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    Don't taze me, bro!
    If they're tazing granny now I can't be very far behind.

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    ...the greatest generation was truely the greatest generation...

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    ...the greatest generation was truely the greatest generation...
    I don't know; I still think that Washington, Franklin, Adams, Jefferson et all had them beat.

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    Every single generation is the worst one...every generation since the beginning of time has been bickering and fighting over the same bull over and over again.

    War has never escaped any generation, disease, poverty, hunger...every generation has it and will always.

    The only "greatest generation" will be the one that can solve all of these problems and move humanity in a greater direction with a greater purpose. Sadly, neither the old farts, nor the middle aged losers, nor the young punks that live today will ever be part of that generation.

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    Each generation is the new weakest until this country faces another World War.

    That's just how the cycle works.

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    Every single generation is the worst one...every generation since the beginning of time has been bickering and fighting over the same bull over and over again.

    War has never escaped any generation, disease, poverty, hunger...every generation has it and will always.

    The only "greatest generation" will be the one that can solve all of these problems and move humanity in a greater direction with a greater purpose. Sadly, neither the old farts, nor the middle aged losers, nor the young punks that live today will ever be part of that generation.
    Not really imo. Older folks understand hard work and real sacrifice because of the societal environment they found themselves in. Spend 10 minutes with one and you will see. They are leaps and bounds above us weak noobs.

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    ...the greatest generation was truely the greatest generation...
    because they endured all the hardships that they created?

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    Not really imo. Older folks understand hard work and real sacrifice because of the societal environment they found themselves in. Spend 10 minutes with one and you will see. They are leaps and bounds above us weak noobs.
    Stop with the stupid generalizations...there just as many slackers back then as there are now. I'm sure when they were young the old asses were probably tell them they weren't worth either.

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