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Actually the Lakers gave up 4 first rounders since Gasol was Spanish League MVP and obvious first round talent. 4 firsts and a huge expiring and people cry like it was the most lopsided trade ever
"The two first round selections sent to Toronto were originally acquired from Denver as part of a trade made this past summer. The draft picks include Philadelphia’s first round pick in 2005, protected 1-8 or 2006, protected 1-5 or 2007, unprotected and Denver’s first round pick in 2006, protected 1-5, 2007, protected 1-2, 2008, unprotected." (InsideHoops.com)
The Philly pick got them Joey Graham, The Denver pick was sold for cash consideration.
Actually the Lakers gave up 4 first rounders since Gasol was Spanish League MVP and obvious first round talent. 4 firsts and a huge expiring and people cry like it was the most lopsided trade ever
Obviously, you don't understand that the Gasol trade is not comparable to sign-and-trade deals, trading players on the last year of their deal to get something rather than nothing and straight salary dumps of players who aren't worth their contract. The Gasol trade doesn't fit into any three of those categories.
Game over.
Wipe away the tears.
Go celebrate number 15.
Kwame Brown - last year of his deal. Lakers wanted to get talent rather than cap space (category #2)
Aaron Mckie - sign and trade for salary filler and became instant capspace for Memphis (category #1)
Brook Lopez, Kevin Love and Marc Gasol were the absolute top 3 of the big men class of 2008 draft and Memphis acquired 1 of them.
Pau Gasol, at the time he was traded had, 60 millions/ 4 years left on his contract and Memphis management didn't feel like paying that kind of money for a 1st option who could't win a single playoff game, so they traded him to a team who was willing to absorb his salary (category#3)
You were saying?
Are you a troll or have we really reached a lower level of Laker Fan?
Did you just give a reason why the Lakers did the trade ... as if it isn't obvious?
It's amazing how much Laker Fan loves the players traded for Gasol. I remember ROFLing when Laker Fan said that they were sad to see JCritt go because he was the next Kobe.
Let it go.
Your Lakers won.
Jerry West furthered his Laker legacy.
Even other fans are starting to get over the Gasol collusion.
The whole "Gasol sucks and the Lakers gave them great value!" take has gotten old.
Celebrate.
And you conveniently ignore why MEMPHIS did the trade. The posters here are so bitter about it, they couldn't even argue without having their hatred clouding their logic.
Hey, I have a rookie 7 footer who can replace Matt Bonner or Oberto in the Spurs starting lineup. He just dropped 12 and 7 for the entire season, shoot 50% and had 1.7 blocks.It's amazing how much Laker Fan loves the players traded for Gasol. I remember ROFLing when Laker Fan said that they were sad to see JCritt go because he was the next Kobe.
Do you want him?
What hatred? I congratulated the Lakers on their championship a month ago. I've moved on.
Apparently you haven't.
Yes ... but you can't have Tim Duncan.
As shocking as that may be to a Laker Fan.
I call BS.Jerry West furthered his Laker legacy.
Even other fans are starting to get over the Gasol collusion.
And the Lakers had never asked for in return the greatest power forward to ever play the game, as shocking as it was for other fans.Yes ... but you can't have Tim Duncan.
As shocking as that may be to a Laker Fan.
Wow where to begin, first off, that's actually not how RFA works, at all. Elton agreed to the S&T its because he gets more money signing with the team that drafted him, then getting traded. The reason the Bulls agreed was because they got something instead of Elton leaving in FA and getting nothing. Something>Nothing
At least you changed your favorite team from the Raptors to the Lakers cause nobody woud be stupid enough to believe you were a raptor fan
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Brand leaving for free agency was not a pre-ordained thing had he not been traded. Even if they had let him become an unrestricted FA, the Bulls still could offer him the most money because they were the one who drafted him, thus acquiring his bird right. So the Bulls must have liked what the Clips had to offer at that time to agree for a S & T. The thing with that trade was, Chandler was a total bust until after he played with Chris Paul and Skinner was just a salary filler (not sure if he was expiring or not) while Brand posted 20-10 with 2 blocks a game.
Now tell me if the Clips didn't rape the Bulls on that one.
I'm a fan of both team. I'm just fed up with the constant conspiracy theory suggested by other fans everytime something good happened to the Lakers. I didn't change the team, a mod must have done it. Why? I can only guess.At least you changed your favorite team from the Raptors to the Lakers cause nobody woud be stupid enough to believe you were a raptor fan
Memphis didn't even take -1- phone call other than the Lakers. They didn't tell anyone else.
They didn't even shop around, ask for offers, see what they could get. Nothing.
It was done with the Lakers in secret. Collusion
Like I said before. If you can find any other team that was willing to offer more expiring contract than Kwame Brown + Aaron Mckie combined while giving up 2 1st round picks, I'm all for the conspiracy theory.
Memphis did that trade for 1 thing and 1 thing only; lighten their financial burden so the amount of the expiring contract they could get was reason #1 for them. The draft picks and the fact the Lakers gave them their starting Center was just icing on the cake.
Let me save you the trouble; there's only 1 player with better expiring contract than Kwame's and he was Theo Ratliff. The problem at that time, Ratliff was playing for the Timberwolves and there's no way in that they're giving up their 1st round draft picks (which netted them Kevin Love).
I'll gladly eat crow if you can find other team that could've helped Memphis' financial situation more than the Lakers did.
This thread hurts my head.
That's how I remember it happening.
No, that's how you remember Peter Vecsey writing about it and he's the only one who did, mind you.
As for Vecsey's credibility, well, I don't even need to say anything about that.
In spirit of bitterness that is so celebrated on this board, let's become bitter together about ALL lopsided trades in NBA. Even if the 2 teams involved had moved on from it, who cares right?
The Deal: On June 9, 1980, the Celtics acquired two-thirds of their Big Three in one deal. In a blockbuster trade with Golden State, Boston received center Robert Parish and the No. 3 pick in the 1980 draft, which they used to select forward Kevin McHale. In return, the Warriors received the No. 1 pick in the draft, which they used to take center Joe Barry Carroll, and the No. 13 choice, which they used on guard Rickey Brown. The impact: Parish and McHale teamed with Larry Bird to form one of the best frontlines in NBA history. Both were named to the list of the NBA's 50 Greatest Players, and Boston won three championships and reached five NBA Finals during their careers in Beantown. Carroll played 6½ seasons with the Warriors and averaged more than 20 points in four of those seasons, including a career-high 24.1 in 1982-83. However, Golden State reached the playoffs only once with Carroll in the middle. Brown played just five NBA seasons and never averaged more than six points per game.
Is this trade fair or lopsided?
Let the bitterness commence!
And don't forget the mandatory "Kobe is a rapist" gig. A thread wouldn't be complete without it.
Something that is continually lost on the pea minded brains of fans like timvp is that Memphis wasn't looking for equal talent back. They were looking to dump salary, plain and simple. They tried to trade Gasol for 2 straight seasons but nobody was offering anything close to equal talent, most notably Chicago who refused to part with any of their core.
The bottom line is nobody here has named a team with a better package to clear caproom than what LA offered. All this talk about no teams being aware Gasol was on the block is complete horse . Very few teams were willing to take on his hefty contract.
LA took advantage and came up big, and you're hating.
Once again you still are talking out of your ass, how restricted free agency works is that the restricted FA signs whats called an offer sheet, and the team he belongs to has an option to match it. CHI didn't want to pay him the max that the clips did. Restricted doesn't mean his team can restrict him from going and say "no don't go". They can keep him but they'd have to pay him the same as the offer sheet he signed. They can't "let him become an unrestricted free agent" He could only have become an unrestricted free agent if he stayed on a year without looking for another team. He is the only one who could decide if he would be a UFA not his team. The reason he signed with the Bulls was because of his bird rights, but when they signed that agreement they had no intention of keeping him cause they couldn't afford it. The Bulls weren't going to sign him to the max that the Clippers were so instead of the Bulls getting jack with him walking they agreed to a sign and trade because something>nothing. And brand agreed to the S&T because he gets more money.
Because no real Raptor fan es about the VC tradeI'm a fan of both team. I'm just fed up with the constant conspiracy theory suggested by other fans everytime something good happened to the Lakers. I didn't change the team, a mod must have done it. Why? I can only guess.
If it was a straight salary dump, then why didn't Memphis hinge the trade on Brian Cardinal's expiring deal like they did with Mark Miller. The only reason he wasn't traded at the deadline to the Mavs was because they couldn't match the salaries because memphis wouldn't take Cardinal's contract off the table. So they hinge a MM trade on brian cardinal, but they let Gasol, their best asset go by his lonesome?
Brand wasn't being offered anything from the Clips. He was RFA but he didn't want to sign anything less than the max so the Bulls did the S&T with the Clips who had salary cap to absorb Brand's contract without giving back equal salaries in return. But here's the catch; The Bulls could let him become an unrestricted FA and still not worry about losing him for nothing. Why? Because like I said before, he wanted nothing less than the max and the Bulls could offer him more max than any other team because of his bird rights. The only thing Brand had as leverage was if he became disgruntled for an entire season due to not signing an extension. Other than that, the Bulls held all the aces.
Then again, NBA players always sign with the teams that can offer them the most money. I can't think of a single player (other than ring chasers) who signed with another team just to spite the team that had their bird rights even when he's being offered the most money by that particular team. Can you?
Again, The Bulls held all the leverages. All teams do, actually. Why do you think The Cavs had no problem letting Anderson Varejao become an UFA? Or the Bulls actually offered Ben Gordon less money last summer when he already rejected their initial offer 2 years ago? Those teams know that money drive the players and as long as they have their bird rights, those players ain't going nowhere unless a totally wonderful trade prospect arises.
That's what happened with Elton Brand. They had no problem whatsoever letting Brand become UFA but then the Clips came knocking with Chandler and Skinner to offer. They took it, even when they held all the leverages with Brand. Why do you think they did that? They must have liked what they saw at that time.
If you think RFAs are ever in a position to hold a franchise hostage, you must be one gullible mf-er.
Oh yeah, we were totally happy to have Aaron Williams, Eric Williams and Joey Graham to show for it. By the way, Rob Bab was immediate fired after that deal, what does that tell you?Because no real Raptor fan es about the VC trade
Dumb .
What are you saying? You wanted Memphis to pair Gasol and Cardinal together and see if there's any taker? Gasol, by himself is making 16M/year plus Cardinal's contract of 6M/year. Yeah, a 22M/year salary dump. That totally makes sense. The Lakers are one of the wealthiest team in the league but they're not that wealthy. I doubt even the Knicks or Mavs with such big pockets could absorb that.If it was a straight salary dump, then why didn't Memphis hinge the trade on Brian Cardinal's expiring deal like they did with Mark Miller. The only reason he wasn't traded at the deadline to the Mavs was because they couldn't match the salaries because memphis wouldn't take Cardinal's contract off the table. So they hinge a MM trade on brian cardinal, but they let Gasol, their best asset go by his lonesome?
The Gasol trade was a salary dump but they expected to acquire some talent in return because he was their franchise player after all. Hence, their starting C (Marc Gasol) and starting PF (Darell Arthur) were products of that trade.
At the end of the day, Chris Wallace was able to find taker for Cardinal's contract while at the same time traded Kevin Love for OJ Mayo who was a much superior player so all is good right now for Memphis.
And people still insist on calling him an idiot for helping the Lakers out while ignoring the fact that the Memphis also got what they wanted. A young and talented squad, draft picks and cap space flexibility. Tell me right now if they're not in a better position than 50% of other teams in the league especially with this economic situation.
With Mayo, Gay, Conley, Gasol and Thabeet/Rubio as their core, they could make some serious noise in 2-3 years...and that without having used the cap space they acquired from the Lakers. What FA wouldn't be interested in playing for 11M/year?
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The way I view the Gasol trade is the Lakers finally getting equal value for Shaq. They traded arguable the most dominant big in the game at the time for not even one all star, that's lame. You trade Shaq you should get one all star back, Lamar is a nice player, but no all star. So they turned Butler into Kwame and then Kwame into Gasol and they got their all star.
Carter forced his way out and no one wanted to give comparable talent for a whiner who quit on his team.
No one wanted to gamble on Rasheed; he was viewed as a cancer by a lot of GMs.
Jeff Green is a first-rate talent. It was a great trade for Seattle/OKC.
Camby is old, sucks, and is a huge cap albatross. Funny that Denver's defense drastically improves once the DPOY leaves town.
That trade was just stupid, but the Lakers had these grand ideas that Brown was an A+ talent that was just in a bad situation.
Jerry Krause was smitten with the idea of Eddy Curry and Chandler becoming the next Duncan & Robinson. A lot of experts had Chandler pegged as another Garnett.
Pao Gasol, an allstar bigman in his prime, dealt for nobodies in a hush hush manner to keep other teams from making better offers. Memphis only got a $9M expiring in Brown and a so-so bigman who doesn't have a lot of potential to improve in Fat Gasol. Crittendon's a complete scrub PG on a team that was loaded with scrub PGs.
Yes, let's glorify a player who was labelled "soft" by his own fans and had never led his team to a single win in any playoff series while at the same time making max money.
Peter Vecsey enthusiast, huh? Stupidity breeds stupidity, I guess.dealt for nobodies in a hush hush manner
I kept asking what teams can provide Memphis with better salary relief than the Lakers while at the same time giving up 2 1st round draft pick and I have yet to hear it from you guys.keep other teams from making better offers.
You kept shaking your fist to the sky while screaming "conspiracy" have provided no real alternative on what Memphis could've done.
Bitterness at it's best.
Bzzt, it's actually close to 11M because of Mckie's contract.Memphis only got a $9M expiring in Brown
Nostradamus, are we? Would you say Brook Lopez and Kevin Love were so-so big men? Look at their numbers and compare it with Gasol's. Hey, even one of the poster admitted that he would want Gasol starting for the Spurs. Sounds like double standard to me.a so-so bigman who doesn't have a lot of potential to improve in Fat Gasol
Lakers fans prefer him than Jordan Farmar and he was being acquired as back up for Mike Conley anyway who was posting great numbers a few months before last season ended. He was supposed to be a role player.Crittendon's a complete scrub PG on a team that was loaded with scrub PGs.
It's funny how anyone have the gall to justify Rasheed Wallace, Elton Brand and Vince Carter trade but keep clinging to the conspiracy theory when it comes to Gasol. Those players, at the time they were traded were better players than Gasol and they were traded for even less assets.
Where were the bitter fans asking for those GM's head when that happened?
Bitter and stupid, that's what you conspiracy theorists are.
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