Spurs Interested In Securing A Future NBA All-Star Game

[Nathan Explosion]

Oh yeah, forgot to mention that the Alamodome is going to be the host for UTSA football, so it won't be unused for too long.

[meestahmeestah]

Yeah because we don't have a team. Only NFL cities can host a Superbowl.

dude, you keep saying that, but it's not true. Why else would LA and London be rumored to be hosting future Super Bowls?

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/02/02/la-c...6-tampa-in-14/

Sure, the recent trend for Super Bowl sites has been to reward teams for building new stadiums (Houston, Detroit, Indianapolis) or the ol' standby sites like Miami, but there's no hardtack rule saying the Super Bowl can't be played in a non-NFL city. One could argue that NFL football hasn't been played in Detroit in 10+ years.

[Mel_13]

My entire argument is about the NBA not the NFL or NCAA so why that keeps being brought up is ignorant to me.

The NBA doesn't require large stadiums as a qualitifer for hosting an NBA All-Star game. That is my point. Dallas using a stadium is only happening because the Mavs wanted it there.




Wait first off, your theory is in order for SA to host either a superbowl (which it never will be able to because it doesn't have an NFL team), final four or all star game the Spurs must reach the finals?


Ok, second, there is nothing wrong with the 7 year old at&t center that would keep the Spurs from hosting a ASG aside from any scheduling conflict with the rodeo.



Until the Spurs make the finals, right? wow...

Why resort to insults and large, childish 'wtf' graphics? Incapable of making your point without them? Couldn't just quote the entire post and respond in words? I especially like the parts where you completely miss my point and conclude by restating what I said.

While you may not see that the All-Star game situation has parallels in San Antonio's failure to bring an NFL franchise here or in falling out of the rotation for the Final Four, others can.

I will make my point as simple as possible for you to understand.

San Antonio CAN successfully serve as host to a future All-Star game. That is obvious since a successful All-Star game has been held in the dome and three NBA Finals have successfully been held in the AT&T Center.

The question here is WILL San Antonio be chosen as the host city for a future All-Star Game? The answer to that question, based on everything the NBA has recently said in word or actions, is NO. Whether the NBA is looking to hold its flagship event in a football stadium or a basketball arena, San Antonio comes in third best in Texas.

[Nathan Explosion]

I believe that the Rose Bowl is a good location for the Super Bowl and when was the last time LA had an NFL team?

[Buddy Holly]

dude, you keep saying that, but it's not true. Why else would LA and London be rumored to be hosting future Super Bowls?

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/02/02/la-c...6-tampa-in-14/

That article makes no mention of London?

And how in the can you say it's not true when LA hasn't hosted a Superbowl since 1993. You know just before their two NFL teams left town. They were good enough to host 7 superbowls up until then just by coincidence? And them getting it on the 50th year of the Superbowl would allow for an exception to the rule.

Sure, the recent trend for Super Bowl sites has been to reward teams for building new stadiums (Houston, Detroit, Indianapolis) or the ol' standby sites like Miami, but there's no hardtack rule saying the Super Bowl can't be played in a non-NFL city. One could argue that NFL football hasn't been played in Detroit in 10+ years.

I'm not too sure on the rules but seeing as how in almost 50 years not one city selected to host a Superbowl hasn't has an NFL team, I'm looking for reasons to dismiss the claim that they award non-NFL cities the Superbowl. Could it happen one day sure, will it, maybe. Will it become a normal thing, probably not.

[Buddy Holly]

Why resort to insults

Highlight the insults please.

and large, childish 'wtf' graphics?

Because it was that big of a WTF.

Incapable of making your point without them?

One picture interpreting how big of a WTF comment that was riddles me incapable of making my point which is what the other 99% of that post was.

Couldn't just quote the entire post and respond in words? I especially like the parts where you completely miss my point and conclude by restating what I said.

What did I miss? What was the subtext?

While you may not see that the All-Star game situation has parallels in San Antonio's failure to bring an NFL franchise here or in falling out of the rotation for the Final Four, others can.

There are known. The All-Star game is a touch cookie to get. An NFL franchise is a harder cookie to get. The Final Four well, they loved us enogh to come here 4 times. If we've gone the way of the dinosaur because of the Alamodome, so be it. They're loss.

San Antonio CAN successfully serve as host to a future All-Star game. That is obvious since a successful All-Star game has been held in the dome and three NBA Finals have successfully been held in the AT&T Center.

The question here is WILL San Antonio be chosen as the host city for a future All-Star Game? The answer to that question, based on everything the NBA has recently said in word or actions, is NO. Whether the NBA is looking to hold its flagship event in a football stadium or a basketball arena, San Antonio comes in third best in Texas.

What words ot actions has the NBA said or done that compels you to say SA isn't getting an ASG? That's the real question that needs answering.

It's fine and dandy to think your opinion is fact or more of a real answer than someone's elses opinion, that's great. But none of what you have said is fact, just opinion driven. What actions? What words? Instead of being vague with everything, spell it out. This is the first time since the new arena opened that the Spurs are bidding for the ASG so we'll see if they get it.

[Mel_13]

Highlight the insults please.



Because it was that big of a WTF.



One picture interpreting how big of a WTF comment that was riddles me incapable of making my point which is what the other 99% of that post was.



What did I miss? What was the subtext?



There are known. The All-Star game is a touch cookie to get. An NFL franchise is a harder cookie to get. The Final Four well, they loved us enogh to come here 4 times. If we've gone the way of the dinosaur because of the Alamodome, so be it. They're loss.



What words ot actions has the NBA said or done that compels you to say SA isn't getting an ASG? That's the real question that needs answering.

It's fine and dandy to think your opinion is fact or more of a real answer than someone's elses opinion, that's great. But none of what you have said is fact, just opinion driven. What actions? What words? Instead of being vague with everything, spell it out. This is the first time since the new arena opened that the Spurs are bidding for the ASG so we'll see if they get it.

As I said before, believe what you like. I don't have the inclination to break down your post line by line, but I will say a few things.

Referring to the views of another poster as ignorant meets my definition of insulting, perhaps it doesn't meet yours.

The whole 'wtf' deal is a result of your not understanding the last two lines in post 25. Your incessant need to chop these posts into small parts and answer each one may account for this. Read them again and then read your response to them. Hint: I was not proposing that the Spurs reaching the Finals again was a prerequisite to San Antonio gaining the All-Star Game or any other major event.

As to the recent words and actions of the NBA, I posted a link earlier in the thread.

And, of course, my view on San Antonio's chances of hosting a future All-Star Game are exactly that, my view. Just as you have your view.

[Buddy Holly]

Referring to the views of another poster as ignorant meets my definition of insulting, perhaps it doesn't meet yours.

I was talking about myself, I am ignorant to why the NFL and Final Four/NCAA keep being brought up. Though I went back and re-read it and it doesn't read well. It could be interpreted as me calling someone ignorant though calling someone ignorant for being up the NFL and NCAA doesn't make sense.

The whole 'wtf' deal is a result of your not understanding the last two lines in post 25.

This is what you posted:

The only way San Antonio gets one of the elite national sporting events in its existing facilities is for the Spurs to play their way to the NBA Finals.

I'm not sure what the subtext is, I don't know what I didn't "understand."

Your incessant need to chop these posts into small parts and answer each one may account for this. Read them again and then read your response to them. Hint: I was not proposing that the Spurs reaching the Finals again was a prerequisite to San Antonio gaining the All-Star Game or any other major event.

Again, explain this in a better way.

The only way San Antonio gets one of the elite national sporting events in its existing facilities is for the Spurs to play their way to the NBA Finals.

Because that's what you're saying. If you meant something else, say it. And please stop whining about the way I reply. If reading all the breakdowns is too much for you I'm sorry.

As to the recent words and actions of the NBA, I posted a link earlier in the thread.

Stern saying he wants venues near hotels and convention centers? Doesn't giving Dallas the ASG just completely contradict that?

And, of course, my view on San Antonio's chances of hosting a future All-Star Game are exactly that, my view. Just as you have your view.

Yes, true. Except your views are based on inaccuracies, flawed theories and personal beliefs.

[Mel_13]

Because that's what you're saying.

Yes, true. Except your views are based on inaccuracies, flawed theories and personal beliefs.

The NBA Finals is the elite event. An event that will be earned by the team's play, not awarded by decision of an outside corporate en y. If you can't understand that, then I'm sorry.

And your last line sums you up best. I'm not deconstructing a different POV to attempt to prove that my version is better. That's you. As if your POV is based completely on indisputable facts and is free of personal beliefs. Please.

[guzmangm]

I'd rather be in SA to attend an all star game anyday over Dallas or Houston... Why, because as posters have said, it's easy and convenient (Alamodome). You got Riverwalk, countless historic sites, museums, culture, restaurants, hotels, bars, shops, etc, etc... In Arlington and Houston you got Supertarget, Bed Bath and Beyond and Best Buy next door, the usual run of the mill surburban stuff. The riverwalk is the number one tourist attraction for Texans and the outlet mall in San Marcos is number two. I believe San Antonio (alamo, riverwalk) is in top two with South Padre Island for Americans when visiting Texas. I don't think it's impossible for SA to get another All Star game.

[Stump]

I'm not sure how relevant this is to the decision making process of where the All-Star game will be hosted, but it seems like lately there has been a Western Conference dominance (NO,PHX,DAL,LA). I'd think some of the eastern teams would have a leg up in the discussions for the next couple of years.

[Libri]

San Antonio is a huge Cowboys fanbase. Jerry Jones wouldn't want to have a chance of losing an entire city of fans, and the NFL doesn't want to take a chance of having low support in a poor stadium. The Alamodome does not have luxury boxes and needs major work to bring it up to current standards.

That among several other reasons lead to no NFL team for San Antonio.

Also, because San Antonio has missed out on some opportunities. Red McCombs said in an interview that there were a couple of close opportunities that no one knows about. Red said that the first close call came when a team was considering relocating to San Antonio but decided at the last minute to move to another city.

The other close opportunity came when Red became aware that a NFL team wanted and had decided to move. It was a short window of opportunity and Red knew that he had to work on it fast. Red went to newly elected Mayor Ed Garza and told him that there was a chance of getting an NFL team and asked him for support. Ed Garza flat out refused to support the idea of getting an NFL team. Unfortunately, that short window of opportunity of two weeks closed and the NFL team stayed. Red was confident that they could have had a shot at that team if he had the necessary support. Red doesn't name the NFL team but we can speculate about it. It was during the time of Mayor Ed Garza.

[METALMiKE]

Also, because San Antonio has missed out on some opportunities. Red McCombs said in an interview that there were a couple of close opportunities that no one knows about. Red said that the first close call came when a team was considering relocating to San Antonio but decided at the last minute to move to another city.

The other close opportunity came when Red became aware that a NFL team wanted and had decided to move. It was a short window of opportunity and Red knew that he had to work on it fast. Red went to newly elected Mayor Ed Garza and told him that there was a chance of getting an NFL team and asked him for support. Ed Garza flat out refused to support the idea of getting an NFL team. Unfortunately, that short window of opportunity of two weeks closed and the NFL team stayed. Red was confident that they could have had a shot at that team if he had the necessary support. Red doesn't name the NFL team but we can speculate about it. It was during the time of Mayor Ed Garza.

I'm guessing the Texans.

[Buddy Holly]

The NBA Finals is the elite event. An event that will be earned by the team's play, not awarded by decision of an outside corporate en y. If you can't understand that, then I'm sorry.

It makes no goddamn sense that in order to secure a ASG the Spurs have to make the finals. None.

Drinking cat piss instead of coffee to get a morning jolt makes more sense than your theory.

The Suns haven't been in the finals since 1993. They hosted this past season.

The Rockets haven't been to the finals since 1995 and they hosted the ASG in 2006.

The Hornets have never been to the Finals but they hosted in 2008.

The Hawks hosted in 2003.

The Spurs had never been to the Finals at the time they hosted the ASG in 1996.

So please, explain in a comprehensive way how the making the finals would be required in order to secure a ASG.

And your last line sums you up best. I'm not deconstructing a different POV to attempt to prove that my version is better. That's you. As if your POV is based completely on indisputable facts and is free of personal beliefs. Please.

Everything I've used in constructing my argument IS factual.

Your "Spurs need to go to the finals to get an ASG" hypothesis isn't.

[Mel_13]

It makes no goddamn sense that in order to secure a ASG the Spurs have to make the finals. None.

Drinking cat piss instead of coffee to get a morning jolt makes more sense than your theory.

The Suns haven't been in the finals since 1993. They hosted this past season.

The Rockets haven't been to the finals since 1995 and they hosted the ASG in 2006.

The Hornets have never been to the Finals but they hosted in 2008.

The Hawks hosted in 2003.

The Spurs had never been to the Finals at the time they hosted the ASG in 1996.

So please, explain in a comprehensive way how the making the finals would be required in order to secure a ASG.




Everything I've used in constructing my argument IS factual.

Your "Spurs need to go to the finals to get an ASG" hypothesis isn't.

As I have told you in a previous post, I am not saying the Spurs have to host another finals as a prerequisite to being awarded an All-Star Game.

I am saying that the only elite event that San Antonio will see in the future will be a NBA Finals that the team earns through its play.

An All-Star Game that must be awarded by an outside corporate en y is not in the cards. (Just to be sure you understand, the Spurs chances of gaining a future All-Star Game are not tied in any way to the future playoff success of the Spurs team)

I'm not sure it can be stated more simply.

You have been constructing arguments based on your misunderstanding of what I wrote.

I will assume that you can now understand this. I will be interested to see if you are willing to withdraw some of the more colorful comments you have made as a result of this misunderstanding.

[Mel_13]

I know I never argued with you over this because never have the Spurs made their intentions known i don't believe.
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[John Basedow]

crofl....well done, Mel

[Buddy Holly]

Wow, I don't remember this but now it's coming back.

Good job.

Though your points are still weak.

[Mel_13]

Wow, I don't remember this but now it's coming back.

Good job.

Though your points are still weak.

I said that San Antonio wouldn't get the 2012 or 2013 All-Star Game for the reasons cited in this thread. Seems like my points have been proven valid by the actual events since 2009.

Those same points have been made in the new thread and will be proved equally valid if we revisit this subject two or three years hence.

[Buddy Holly]

I said that San Antonio wouldn't get the 2012 or 2013 All-Star Game for the reasons cited in this thread. Seems like my points have been proven valid by the actual events since 2009.

2013 has not been awarded. Do we even know if the Spurs placed a bid? Even if they did for the 2012 ASG, there going up against a lot of other cities, so not getting it doesn't mean anything other than another city won it not that the NBA doesn't see SA as a potential host.

, there was a 24 year gap between Dallas hosting.

A 21 year gap for Houston.

A 24 year gap for Atlanta.

So on and so fourth.

Those same points have been made in the new thread and will be proved equally valid if we revisit this subject two or three years hence.

In your mind they may be validated but there's no proof now that they are.

[Mel_13]

In your mind they may be validated but there's no proof now that they are.

The 2012 game will be in Orlando.

lol denial

[Buddy Holly]

Question? Did the Spurs place a bid?

Question? Are the Spurs supposed to win a bid automatically because they're the Spurs?

FYI, just like the NFL likes to hand out Superbowls to new stadium cities, even cold weather cities, the NBA likes to award new arena cities with the ASG. No different.

I wouldn't be shocked if OKC gets 2013.

Bottom-line, since this thread til today, your argument has never been validated. You believing they have is delusional. No offense.

With that, I'm ending exiting this conversation. You have a good one.

[Mel_13]

You believing they have is delusional. No offense.

You're the one who is delusional. No offense.

Any bid that San Antonio submits for an NBA All-Star game starts with these two points:

1. Our first class NBA arena is unavailable for All-Star weekend due to prior commitments.

2. We'll be holding the game in our outdated, domed football stadium.

It's a non-starter. Believing otherwise is the definition of delusional.

Dream on.

[slick'81]

i was there in 96 but yeah i dont think sa will be hosting an nba asg anytime soon