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I'd rather have his wife on the team.
Wow... three shout outs for Shelden Williams in 4 minutes!
Last edited by Tully365; 06-23-2009 at 05:44 PM.
I'd rather have his wife on the team.
Unless the Spurs make another trade, you can forget about Gooden or any Big with a contract greater in value than the vet minimum. You can forget about Splitter over the next 24 months...not enough money.
Great trade today, though. Great trade.
When I think of Rasheed Wallace, I imagine his 2004 and 2005 incarnations very vividly, for obvious reasons. Truth be told, I haven't caught much Pistons basketball following 07. I was disappointed your guys didn't make it to the big show for a rematch that year, it hurt us spursfans too when y'all lost.
You say Sheed could still be very, very valuable. Yet you earlier cited only mental and locker room (i'm assuming) issues. We're all aware of the situation this last season in Detroit, but is Sheed rattled easily nowadays in his old age?
The problem is Pop. Pop does not account for aggressive behavior. He and Sheed would have their slight troubles, its undoubted. But I have a theory...
Could sheed be the missing piece to the Spurs championship puzzle as the clock winds down? Once again, like Detroit in 2004, Sheed may have a welcome experience compared to his previous plight, and surrounded by all-star level talent (parker/manu/rj/tim/sheed). That's gotta bring an at ude change. Sure, the Spurs just got bounced in the first round like his, but we have proven all-stars he could connect with supposedly, and a solid role he could immediately get comfortable in. His 3pt shooting could continue as he desired, more or less. Now with RJ around for two more seasons, that's almost two seasons guaranteed of Manu health, if he is to ever become healthy at all..at least, if Pop plays RJ as much as he needs to keep Manu's minutes down. Sheed would have plenty of scoring opportunities should it lead to resting Timmy and others more. Tim among others could keep him under control, Pop included.
This idea of another Big 5 sort of like the mid-decade Pistons occurred to me before the trade deadline last season, when it was rumored the Spurs FO was chasing that VC deal. The idea of keeping the big 3 in tact, while adding an athletic 4th scorer was hard to imagine without giving up key pieces, but in that scenario, Bowen and Thomas would have come back (both of these still may be true this season, as well). Then, with Sheed being vocal about his situation in Detroit, and about the idea of acquiring him this offseason with the MLE, while still having the Big 4 and Bowen and Thomas, was very surrealistic - yet seemed more than possible, like an ideal path the Spurs were taking.
Now, I'm glad we didn't take VC, though its not monetary. RJ is a better fit for the role he'll be playing (4th-3rd option), and he's consistently healthy. This means volumes in the context (Ginobili, God forbid). Last season, all our eggs got cracked, so we've taken precautions to halfway avoid the same thing (having no healthy Manu probably = no le though).
We'll have the MLE to work with, but it seems less likely with the financial implications. What I do wonder is if Holt feels its high time to delve a little deeper than usual to make sure Spurs have the best chance to win.
Last edited by z0sa; 06-23-2009 at 05:57 PM.
A couple more
Aaron Gray
Ike Diogu
I agree, those are good additions to the list.
With a genuine Big 4 now, any big guy willing to play D, rebound, and follow Pop's orders has a nice shot at a ring.
It's not a matter of being rattled, imo. It's about him being properly motivated in kept interested. In many ways, Billups as a leader was just as valuable as a player. He kept guys like Rip and Rasheed as level-headed as they could be. And, he also made sure Rasheed was happy on the court. Rasheed doesn't need a lot of touches, but he needs to be kept involved on offense. Billups knew when to get him involved, and not just have him only get touches on kick-outs and three point bail out shots. As far as I know, Rasheed wasn't a huge problem in the locker room. Most of his at ude problems still were rooted with officials and with coaching. By the vast majority of accounts, Rasheed was a great teammate. Any even a fair share of his confrontations with officials came in defending his teammates on calls, not necessarily calls against him. But, he didn't respect Flip Saunders. And, he came to realize he didn't respect Michael Curry as a head coach. And, it showed. And, that's probably the biggest knock on him, showing proper respect to authority. And, it's not about his age.
That's why Larry Brown was a perfect coach for him. Rasheed respected him so much. And, he liked him too. Rasheed was shooting three pointers in 2004 and 2005 too. Rasheed still had a bad at ude towards officials in 2004 and 2005. But, people didn't talk about him just jacking up shots because he was playing great defense and he was making the team better. And, a lot of it was deflected because he was good in every other aspect and he respected Larry Brown.
It comes down to the Rasheed-Pop relationship. I think Rasheed does respect Pop and respect him a lot. It would be about Pop realizing and accepting certain behavior from Rasheed that he would normally not tolerate and being able to bend in his discipline of it. Rasheed will blow up at officials. He will pick up technicals and get ejected. But, if he respects Pop and his teammates, and I'm certain he would, he would be great in every other aspect, including in the locker room and as a teammate.The problem is Pop. Pop does not account for aggressive behavior. He and Sheed would have their slight troubles, its undoubted. But I have a theory...
Could sheed be the missing piece to the Spurs championship puzzle as the clock winds down? Once again, like Detroit in 2004, Sheed may have a welcome experience compared to his previous plight, and surrounded by all-star level talent (parker/manu/rj/tim/sheed). That's gotta bring an at ude change. Sure, the Spurs just got bounced in the first round like his, but we have proven all-stars he could connect with supposedly, and a solid role he could immediately get comfortable in. His 3pt shooting could continue as he desired, more or less. Now with RJ around for two more seasons, that's almost two seasons guaranteed of Manu health, if he is to ever become healthy at all..at least, if Pop plays RJ as much as he needs to keep Manu's minutes down. Sheed would have plenty of scoring opportunities should it lead to resting Timmy and others more. Tim among others could keep him under control, Pop included.
The problem with Sheed, is he decides when he wants to play and give effort. Hes an idiot headcase, who has wasted his immense talent. No thanks I'd rather have some one with heart and intensity. I didn't even mention Sheed's ill-timed techs he always gets at the worst time possible. The Spurs don't need his theatrics.
draft pick at this point
wasted? He has a ring and loads of money. He's played pretty damn good over his career. Could he have been another Tim Duncan? Probably. But I wouldn't call his career a waste.
I think "wasted talent" is a poor way of evaluate Rasheed Wallace. Or, rather, it's based on certain opinions that statistics and individual honors like all star game appearances and scoring les are the true gauge in assessing an NBA career. I would agree that Rasheed has not always lived up to his talent and abilities. But, as it pertains to dominating the game statistically, Rasheed has stated many times that he was never concerned about that. And that dates back to high school if not earlier. In high school, he sat out second halves of games so as to not "show up" the opposing teams. He didn't care if he didn't get "his stats." At UNC, he played second fiddle to Jerry Stackhouse and even Jeff McInnis at times because he was more concerned about winning. After winning the 2004 NBA championship, Rasheed he didn't care about stats or the all star games or the Hall of Fame. He said he was all about moments like that, winning les. Now, you can criticize him in that if he played better, maybe he would have been on more championship teams. But, that's arguable at best. 99% of the teammates he's ever had have stated he's one of the greatest teammates. For him, it's not that he wasted his talent. It's that he wasn't concerned about his own individual success as much as he was concerned about team success and his teammates also sharing that success.
That's not to say Rasheed doesn't have flaws. He obviously does. But, when Charles Barkley said something to the effect that Rasheed could have been one of the most dominant big men if he wanted to be, that's the point. Rasheed didn't care to be that. It's fair to think of that as a flaw in and of itself. But it depends how you look at it.
We don't have first rounders and this is a big man starved draft anyway.
FA or trade most likely.
[QUOTE=JamStone;3482784]I think "wasted talent" is a poor way of evaluate Rasheed Wallace. Or, rather, it's based on certain opinions that statistics and individual honors like all star game appearances and scoring les are the true gauge in assessing an NBA career. I would agree that Rasheed has not always lived up to his talent and abilities. But, as it pertains to dominating the game statistically, Rasheed has stated many times that he was never concerned about that. And that dates back to high school if not earlier. In high school, he sat out second halves of games so as to not "show up" the opposing teams. He didn't care if he didn't get "his stats." At UNC, he played second fiddle to Jerry Stackhouse and even Jeff McInnis at times because he was more concerned about winning. After winning the 2004 NBA championship, Rasheed he didn't care about stats or the all star games or the Hall of Fame. He said he was all about moments like that, winning les. Now, you can criticize him in that if he played better, maybe he would have been on more championship teams. But, that's arguable at best. 99% of the teammates he's ever had have stated he's one of the greatest teammates. For him, it's not that he wasted his talent. It's that he wasn't concerned about his own individual success as much as he was concerned about team success and his teammates also sharing that success.
That's not to say Rasheed doesn't have flaws. He obviously does. But, when Charles Barkley said something to the effect that Rasheed could have been one of the most dominant big men if he wanted to be, that's the point. Rasheed didn't care to be that. It's fair to think of that as a flaw in and of itself. But it depends how you look at it.[/QU
Sorry, I have to disagree. The guy could been a hall of fame player, but he chooses not too. Sounds pretty idiotic that he chooses not too. He has so much skill in the post, but chooses the hang out at the 3-point line. I watched him a couple times last year and his talent/ability has regressed. Rather thats due to age or him not being into the game, who knows, maybe its both. Now Rasheed doesn't even play defense. So basically, unless he finally sees the light, if the Spurs sign him, you will have a another Matt Bonner 3-point specialist, but at least Bonner will hustle. When was the last time Sheed hustled?
don't forget that drew gooden as of right now is still on our squad
Sean May-- I meant to include him in the original list.
F' Rasho. If the organization is thinking big, they better not settle at a position as important as C.
Would we be able to afford Marcin Gortat (young!) or Chris Anderson?
Looks like Anderson wants to stay in Denver though...
How about Tyson Chandler? Hornets still trying to unload him?
Am I thinking too expensive?
Roger not playoff money Mason for Thabeet in a heartThabeet
Gortat and Anderson could likely be had for the mid-level exception. That's really all the Spurs have to work with. Unless, of course, they decide to do something more drastic.
Whats the situation with that Javtokas dude?
Mahinmi...?
I can't believe nobody has mentioned former Spur Dwayne Schintzius as a possiblity. My sources indicate a deal may be in the works...
What sources?
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