ABC News: Obama threatens to veto defense bill

[ChumpDumper]

It's legitimate pork.

[Wild Cobra]

It's legitimate pork.

In your opinion. Mine differs. I think it's legitimate spending. I think most social programs are pork. I think farm subsidies are pork. I think ethanol subsidies are pork.

Can we agree to disagree?

[Winehole23]

I think it's legitimate spending.

Based on what? Gates says it's not necessary strategically.

Are you for pork as long as defense lobbyists and their congressional (and DOD) cronies ask for it?

[Wild Cobra]

Based on what? Gates says it's not necessary strategically.

Are you for pork as long as defense lobbyists and their congressional (and DOD) cronies ask for it?

I don't see Gates as the same quality of an expert as Rumsfeld was. Without proof they are too much, I will agree we need them.

Sorry, A military man and Patriot I am.

Look. They were ordered, expected to be in production. Is it fair to pull the rug out of thousands of workers?

[sabar]

F-22's and Joint Strike Fighters are freaking awesome, but we don't need them at this time. As far as I know, our current generation of fighters still maintains dominance over the rest of the worlds air forces and air craft. Why spend money on something just because its new and fancy, when the old thing is doing just fine? There are more important things to do with that money, namely, not spend it.

India, China, and Russia are all developing 5th generation fighters with similar capabilities to the F22/JSF.

[jman3000]

India, China, and Russia are all developing 5th generation fighters with similar capabilities to the F22/JSF.

Ours is already out though. It's not like we're gonna stop trying to improve its weapon systems or capabilities. We're just not gonna order however many it stated.

It's not like we're at war with any of those countries anyway.... and if someone says we might... it's not like their planes are out of the development stage anyway. Except for Russia which I think had one coming out soon. I think the drop in oil prices led it to cut back on it though. Not 100% sure.