Gortat or Sheed?

[4RINGS]

My personal preference:

1. Sheed
2. Gortat
3. McDyess
4 Trade For Camby
5. Other Vet Big
6. Gooden

I only put the trade for camby as 4 because i think we would have to give up Mase in doing so and I think hes gonna be benefited by all these moves as much as anyone this upcoming year.

Swap Gooden and Gortat and I like your list. I would welcome Gooden back, he is young and has potential.

[MarHill]

My personal preference:

1. Sheed
2. Gortat
3. McDyess
4 Trade For Camby
5. Other Vet Big
6. Gooden

I only put the trade for camby as 4 because i think we would have to give up Mase in doing so and I think hes gonna be benefited by all these moves as much as anyone this upcoming year.

I like it, Mugen.

I would probably switch Gortat and Sheed. I know my buddy SenorSpur has convince a little bit more about Rasheed though.

I don't want to lose Mason as well. I believe he will benefit big time this season...with the changes also. And he has a year under his belt as a Spur. He will play much more instinctively this season too!!!

[Mugen]

Swap Gooden and Gortat and I like your list. I would welcome Gooden back, he is young and has potential.

Gooden isn't that young and he really doesn't have much potential left.

What you see with gooden is pretty much what you're going to get for the rest of his career.

a good low post scorer who has a decent jumper and is a solid rebounder.

but a horrible passer with a low defensive IQ. hes not what the spurs need right now.

[MarHill]

I agree and I think he will be our target. He is used by Orl like we would use him. Hes not gonna get the ball. But he can score on pick and roles, he can put the ball on the floor and he gets alot of trash buckets. He would be the one I hope we get , but if we get Sheed I wont cry.

Thanks Texas 2 Step!!!

At least there is someone on my side!!!

[4RINGS]

So Gortat is the guy you are all in love with??? Kinda scary...

[4RINGS]

This guy??? Hmmm...

[EmantheSpursFan]

Since we already have Bonner i think Sheed is more expendable...
only if we get a solid Big to help Bonner

[4RINGS]

I know the Lakers feel threatened, since he PLAYED so well against them in the playoffs. I highly doubt it. I'll pass... RC and POP look elsewhere... PLEASE!

[MarHill]

So Gortat is the guy you are all in love with??? Kinda scary...

4Rings.......

We're not in love with the guy!!!

He fills a need!!

If the Spurs hadn't traded for RJ....I would prefer Sheed over Gortat because he can score in the post and shoot the 3.

However, the Spurs will have at least two guys on the floor at all times that can create their own shot. (TP & RJ, TP& Manu, RJ& Manu)

So that changes the equation for me. I want another big who fill a role to defend the post, block shots, and rebound.

This is the missing piece for the Spurs.....

[VivaPopovich]

Rasheed. Gortat can't do much else except grab easy rebounds and make open dunks. We're not looking for a long term committment out of Rasheed. Pop has a thing for giving old vets another run (Steve Smith, Mario Elie). We already have big men for the future, Rasheed satisfies the needs of the moment.

[MarHill]

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He killed the Lakers. Let's sign him.

If you are looking at stats...then you're right!!

But if he fills a need....then he's one to go after!!

[jj cain]

Gortat is nothing like Rasho. Did you guys actually watch him? He is a good athlete. He can get up, he's tough & he finishes at the rim pretty well. He is a good shot blocker & we haven't had that in years.

His numbers don't mean much since he backs up the best C in the game. When he played he made an impact.

He will be a very hot commodity actually, I don't know where some people on here think he won't. He caught a lot of eyes in the playoffs. On a team with 4 18 + scorers, his offense is irrelevant.

[Pistons < Spurs]

Gortat.


I think it'd be a mistake for the Spurs to get Sheed. He's just as likely to get a T that hurts his team as is he to hit a big 3. He doesn't play in the post at all anymore, taking almost half of his shots from beyond the arc. Poor shot selection. Doesn't rebound up to his ability. Picks and chooses when he wants to bring effort. Lateral quickness is gone. Doesn't get up at all like he used to. Is too slow getting down the court, which was fine when Billups brought the ball up nice and slow, but playing w/ Parker he's going to trailing every single play. And has had injuries, though more on the minor side, the last couple of years.

Gortat establishes good position in the paint. Offers a couple of nice post moves w/ some decent athleticism and quickness. He's active and physical defensively. Can protect the basket. Block shots and rebounds at a much better rate than Sheed. He won't offer the personality issues that come with Sheed. He's younger and possibly going to be a 'break out' type of player going into his 3rd season. Gortat just offers everything you all need. A big 7 footer in the paint. Sheed does not fit that role.

Obviously getting either of them will help the team, but I strongly think you all would be better off w/ Gortat or Dice than Sheed. Just my .02 cents.

[MarHill]

Gortat is nothing like Rasho. Did you guys actually watch him? He is a good athlete. He can get up, he's tough & he finishes at the rim pretty well. He is a good shot blocker & we haven't had that in years.

His numbers don't mean much since he backs up the best C in the game. When he played he made an impact.

He will be a very hot commodity actually, I don't know where some people on here think he won't. He caught a lot of eyes in the playoffs. On a team with 4 18 + scorers, his offense is irrelevant.

My point exactly....jj cain! Thanks!

It's not about stats for him. Its about a role the Spurs need and he can fill it.

You need good role players on a championship team......

[MarHill]

Gortat.


I think it'd be a mistake for the Spurs to get Sheed. He's just as likely to get a T that hurts his team as is he to hit a big 3. He doesn't play in the post at all anymore, taking almost half of his shots from beyond the arc. Poor shot selection. Doesn't rebound up to his ability. Picks and chooses when he wants to bring effort. Lateral quickness is gone. Doesn't get up at all like he used to. Is too slow getting down the court, which was fine when Billups brought the ball up nice and slow, but playing w/ Parker he's going to trailing every single play. And has had injuries, though more on the minor side, the last couple of years.

Gortat establishes good position in the paint. Offers a couple of nice post moves w/ some decent athleticism and quickness. He's active and physical defensively. Can protect the basket. Block shots and rebounds at a much better rate than Sheed. He won't offer the personality issues that come with Sheed. He's younger and possibly going to be a 'break out' type of player going into his 3rd season. Gortat just offers everything you all need. A big 7 footer in the paint. Sheed does not fit that role.

Obviously getting either of them will help the team, but I strongly think you all would be better off w/ Gortat or Dice than Sheed. Just my .02 cents.

Thank you Pistons<Spurs!!!

Another one on our side!!!

[Mugen]

Gortat.


I think it'd be a mistake for the Spurs to get Sheed. He's just as likely to get a T that hurts his team as is he to hit a big 3. He doesn't play in the post at all anymore, taking almost half of his shots from beyond the arc. Poor shot selection. Doesn't rebound up to his ability. Picks and chooses when he wants to bring effort. Lateral quickness is gone. Doesn't get up at all like he used to. Is too slow getting down the court, which was fine when Billups brought the ball up nice and slow, but playing w/ Parker he's going to trailing every single play. And has had injuries, though more on the minor side, the last couple of years.

Gortat establishes good position in the paint. Offers a couple of nice post moves w/ some decent athleticism and quickness. He's active and physical defensively. Can protect the basket. Block shots and rebounds at a much better rate than Sheed. He won't offer the personality issues that come with Sheed. He's younger and possibly going to be a 'break out' type of player going into his 3rd season. Gortat just offers everything you all need. A big 7 footer in the paint. Sheed does not fit that role.

Obviously getting either of them will help the team, but I strongly think you all would be better off w/ Gortat or Dice than Sheed. Just my .02 cents.

those are all valid criticisms but Sheed is still one of the top post defenders in the game and that is just exactly what the spurs need.

adding sheed probably makes the spurs the best defensive team in the league again.

[4RINGS]

Rasheed. Gortat can't do much else except grab easy rebounds and make open dunks. We're not looking for a long term committment out of Rasheed. Pop has a thing for giving old vets another run (Steve Smith, Mario Elie). We already have big men for the future, Rasheed satisfies the needs of the moment.

I agree, we do need Sheed for 5 years, we just need him for a year or two while Duncan is still playing at a high level. Gortat can stay with the Magic... if they want him.

[jj cain]

Oh, and the only game he played significant minutes, which was only 20, against the Lakers he had 4 points, but 8 rebounds, 4 blocks & 2 assists.

As mentioned above, they couldn't play him & Howard at the same time because their offense would shut down.

If he plays 25-30 as the starting C, he probably averages 9-10 boards, 2 blocks & 8-10 points a game. That is perfect for the Spurs.

[Mugen]

I know the Lakers feel threatened, since he PLAYED so well against them in the playoffs. I highly doubt it. I'll pass... RC and POP look elsewhere... PLEASE!

ask yourself this...who do you want starting?

Bonner or Gortat?

[4RINGS]

those are all valid criticisms but Sheed is still one of the top post defenders in the game and that is just exactly what the spurs need.

adding sheed probably makes the spurs the best defensive team in the league again.

Right, Sheed made the Pistons one of the best defensive teams in the league. He knows how to play D. Sheed played good D on Timmy in the Finals... remember.

[MarHill]

those are all valid criticisms but Sheed is still one of the top post defenders in the game and that is just exactly what the spurs need.

adding sheed probably makes the spurs the best defensive team in the league again.

Mugen,

I believe Gortat will make the Spurs the best defensive team in the league more than Sheed would.

Pistons<Spurs posted the differences between the two very well.

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Since the other thread where I posted this derailed into a big argument about something else:

The rumor that Rasheed was in SA, whether true or not, has likely just driven up his price. If anyone out there was willing to go over the MLE to get him, they're more likely to do so now, which puts the Spurs at a disadvantage.

BUT

Orlando just got Vince Carter, and is probably going to lose Hedo. As a result, they are more likely than ever to be willing to throw money at Rasheed if he's indeed their target. Since Rasheed played in college with Carter, and has said he wants to play for a contender in the EAST, that puts Orlando at the top of his wish list.

The above combination of factors could make matching for a Gortat very expensive for Orlando. Making Gortat a QO could be a great chess move if everything lines up just right. Committing the entire MLE is a risk, but Gortat is young, athletic, smart, a good defender and a big body. He'd be a steal for the Spurs even if they're in luxury tax territory.

[MarHill]

[QUOTE=Mugen;3501073]ask yourself this...who do you want starting?

Bonner or Gortat?[/QUOTE

Gortat by a mile!!

Bonner was getting abused by other teams post players.

Plus.....we have plenty offensive firepower now and Gortat's defense and rebounding is much better than Bonner.

[ginobilized]

Sheed brings the swagger, crafty veteran tricks, 3 pt ability and post up game, a bonafide floor spreader.....he's the one for this team I believe. 4 3pt threats in the starting 5 is ridiculous.....Duncan gets single coverage or there's a wide open shooter. The lane will be more open for TP and RJ with Sheed. Gortat is a good player, but more of a 5. Sheed is a 4 in our system and will match up with 4s. Duncan is a 5 from here out I believe.

[MarHill]

Since the other thread where I posted this derailed into a big argument about something else:

The rumor that Rasheed was in SA, whether true or not, has likely just driven up his price. If anyone out there was willing to go over the MLE to get him, they're more likely to do so now, which puts the Spurs at a disadvantage.

BUT

Orlando just got Vince Carter, and is probably going to lose Hedo. As a result, they are more likely than ever to be willing to throw money at Rasheed if he's indeed their target. Since Rasheed played in college with Carter, and has said he wants to play for a contender in the EAST, that puts Orlando at the top of his wish list.

The above combination of factors could make matching for a Gortat very expensive for Orlando. Making Gortat a QO could be a great chess move if everything lines up just right. Committing the entire MLE is a risk, but Gortat is young, athletic, smart, a good defender and a big body. He'd be a steal for the Spurs even if they're in luxury tax territory.

Yep....another one for Gortat!!! Whoo-hoo!!