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That's a weak bench. Real weak. Murphy, 38 year old Bowen, a vet min pg who won't be much better than Vaughn (if not Vaughn himself), and 7 guys with 1 year of nba experience or less. No thanks.
Then I think you consider a vet backup for the 3, like, um, a Grant Hill.
That's a weak bench. Real weak. Murphy, 38 year old Bowen, a vet min pg who won't be much better than Vaughn (if not Vaughn himself), and 7 guys with 1 year of nba experience or less. No thanks.
RE: Nocioni. It appears that his salary would decrease over time. It was $8.5 mil in 2007-08 and $8 mil in 2008-09 per Patricia's site. If it continues to decrease at a half mil a season, then the final 3 years would amount to $21 mil. Not cheap by any stretch, but not bad. His deal ends in 2012, which is when TD's will end.
I would like to get Collison. He rebounded well.
a) because our backcourt/wing situation already looks pretty decent.
b) salmons is a bit of a volume player who needs 10+ shots per game to be effective. that wouldn't (and shouldn't) happen with the newly created big 4. he really only makes sense if you're banking on Ginobili going down with another injury. otherwise, for our purposes, mason fills a role better.
True. Which is why I think if they pull off a trade using Bonner + Finley (and/or Mason) that it would return someone other than a big. Their MLE seems destined to be used on a starting bigman.
Look at it from the other team's perspective. Which teams were the worse 3 pt shooters.
Philadelphia, Washington, Detroit, Utah and OKC were the poorest 3 pt teams. Wash made the trade withe Min and Phil signed Kopono. Oddly enough Detroit will need to fill some spots once they settle on their main free agents. Maybe a sign and trade?
Holt would probably croak, but Boris Diaw wouldn't be bad...
hopefully a guy that can shoot threes because without them the Spurs would be lacking in the three department.
How about the Warriors? Do they want to carry both Jack and Maggette?
im with ya
They guy out of those two they would want to trade is Maggette and after what I saw of him last year, no thanks.
we need Mason, can't send him away without getting a shooter back.
not to many trades here look the least bit enticing. Bonner IMO has more value to us than anything we could get in a trade for him. I think we add a scrappy defensive center like Andersen or Varejao, bring in some of our existing assets, and call it an offseason.
Spurs get Andris Biedrins
Jazz get Mggette, Turiaf, Bonner
Warriors get Boozer, Kuofos, Mason, Mahinmi
(this trade succeeded)
A Bonner + Finley trade could bring back happy times on Spurstalk.
wouldnt get much at this point. this league is already full of "kickout shooters" it isn't always a good move because teams close out on it pretty well especially during the playoffs
i'd suspect they'd have appeal to a team like utah or golden state
I'm sure other teams are aware of how good shooters seem to get when they play alongside Tim Duncan. They aren't likely to fall for gaudy numbers.
Seems to me like that was the reasoning behind shipping Crawford out.
I don't know, not really a Collinson fan. Rather have Anderson.
Holt's willingness to pay lux tax opens completely new scenarios. (ignoring that going 5M over the threshold is still much different than to go 15 million over it).
if the Spurs can get either Collison or Foster for this package, they can go much more comfortable into a free agency but still bid for Sheed, McDyess, Pachulia or Varejao.
best case would be they get Foster AND one of this 4 FAs.
(then use the BAE for a player like Quinton Ross, who last season looked as if he has learned to shoot the 3 a bit)
btw. Bonner alone could bring back Turiaf, if the Spurs offer this trade. (I don't know from what date the salary number of the next season are used for a trade. 2008-09 numbers of course don't work streight, 09-10 number would).
if the Spurs land Sheed, Turiaf would make more sense than Bonner. (this doesn't mean that I'm sure that Turiaf is worth the 4 million per. I would of course rather pay 2 million more and get a solid big like Collison or Foster)
If they can land a free agent big like Wallace or McDyess then I would like to see the Spurs go after John Salmons in a trade for Finley and Bonner.....
I love some of the suggestions here... Murphy, Camby and Biedrins would be dreams.
I also love going after Sheed or Verajao (over McDyess).
What about a trade with Phoenix that gets us Barbosa and Lopez? Would do that in a heart beat if we can also sign Tiago.
I'm not saying I would do all these. but.......
Atlanta
Marvin Williams for Bonner/Finley
Boston
Glen Davis, Ray Allen and Rajon Rondo for Manu, Tony, Bonner and Finley
Charlotte
Boris Diaw for Bonner/Finley/Mason
Raja Bell for Bonner/Finley
Gerald Wallace for Bonner/Finley/Mason
Chicago
Ty Thomas for Bonner/Finley
Brad Miller for Bonner/Finley/Mason
Cle:
Z for Bonner/Finley/Mason
Dallas:
Nothing that interests me that Cuban would do. He isn;t giving us Stackhouse.
Denver:
They wouldn't send us JR Smith, Linas Kleiza or Chris Andersen.
Detroit:
Rip Hamilton for Bonner/Finley/Mason
Golden State:
No way we could get Biedrins from them. Not really interested in 4 more years of SJax or Maggette and I doubt they part with their cheap rookies.
Houston:
I'd love Shane, but Morey isn't gonna help us.
Indiana
Troy Murphy for Bonner/Finley/Mason
Jeff Foster for Bonner/Finley
LAClippers
Camby for Bonner/Finley
Kaman for Bonner/Finley/Mason
LALakers:
They aren't helping us.
Memphis;
Under the cap, they dont need to dump salaries, unless it was Jaric or QRich, who I don't want.
Miami:
Haslem for Bonner/Finley
Milwaukee:
Kurt Thomas for Bonner
They arent dumping Bogut, no one else is interesting.
Minnesota:
No one that interesting.
New Jersey
Najera, Dooling and Lee for Bonner, Finley
New Orleans:
Tyson Chandler for Bonner/Finley/Mason
New York:
Nothing I really like outside of David Lee
Jared Jefferies/Wilson Chandler for Mason/Bonner/Finley
OKC:
Collison for Finley/Bonner
Orlando:
If they want to Keep Turkey, Pietrus for Bonner/Finley
Philadelphia:
Dalembert for mason/Bonner/finley
Phoenix:
Barbosa for Finley/Bonner
Portland:
Not really shedding money, but
Webster for BonnerFinley
Sacramento:
Nocioni for Bonner/Finley
They wouldn't part with Spender Hawes or KMart.
Toronto:
Don't think they are wanting to dump Calderon or Bargnani, so I dont think there is anyone else here I am interested in.
Utah:
No one I would wawnt. Deron's not leaving, and Millsap and Boozer are free agents.
Washington:
I think Caron isn't touchable for relief.
Jamison for Bonner/Finley/Mason
Haywood for Bonner/Finley
Haywood/Blatche for Bonner/Finley/Mason
Given the current roster make up I'd be very, very leery about making a trade involving Finley, Bonner AND Mason. We do need a bench afterall, preferrably one that includes some guys who fall somewhere in that happy middle ground between over the hill veteran and unproven rookie. If Finley isn't in the plans then a trade packaging him with Bonner for another big makes sense because you're dumping a guy you didn't want and upgrading from Bonner. But when you start adding Mason in there now you're making a trade to upgrade from Bonner at the expense of creating a hole at backup SG. Obviously if someone is willing to just give away another all-star caliber player for those 3, then sure. But he's got to be a pretty special player. Way more special than the names currently being thrown around.
I seriously doubt we trade Finley and Bonner. We need a bench and these guys are reasonably priced back ups that know the system. We need one or 2 bigs out of FA and we should be ed and loaded.
Sheed/Ian/Bonner
Duncan/Blair
RJ/Finely/Gist
Mason/Manu/McClinton
Parker/Hill
With Ian and Bonner taking up some of the minutes at the 4 and Manu and Mason any additional minutes at the 1 and we are going to be very difficult to beat. I wouldn't have any problem bringing back Oberto or Rasho cheap as an insurance big or a vet pg at the minimum as insurance.
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