Barack Obama Turns His Back On Change And Embraces Bush

[Phenomanul]

Right... because keeping them locked up couldn't possibly A) save them face or B) help out your buddies who pay to make the prisons or C) help get you reelected by looking tough on terrorism or D) any number of other reasons...

The point is, even if there was a good reason for keeping people locked up, indefinitely, it doesn't make it RIGHT. It makes us tyrants, and this country was formed in the first place to get away from those.

Habeas corpus is enshrined in the Cons ution and for good reason. Our Cons ution and the ideals espoused within are not just special laws for US citizens. They are a guide, a framework for what our Founding Fathers thought are the most FAIR and MORAL way to run a country. I am loathe to give them up for an illusory security.

You're barking up the wrong tree buddy... like I said, I don't support the methods, or the suspension of habeas corpus at all, whatsoever... I'm simply trying to rationalize the reasons that the government may have for continuing the practices... Particularly in light of the fact that the man 'we' placed in power, one who said would abolish the interrogation methods, detentions, etc... has chosen not to do so. I don't know the context behind his decision to 'embrace the same old crap,' but I imagine it must be valid. Afterall, isn't that the benefit of the doubt that we're supposed to extend the President during his first year in office??? (At least that's what I'm led to believe by FOX News).

[LnGrrrR]

But them's terrersts and not good red blooded hard workin' muricans. Why kaint yew know that our guvmint woodn't dew anyting like dat to us muricans?

You're barking up the wrong tree buddy... like I said, I don't support the methods, or the suspension of habeas corpus at all, whatsoever... I'm simply trying to rationalize the reasons that the government may have for continuing the practices... Particularly in light of the fact that the man 'we' placed in power, one who said would abolish the interrogation methods, detentions, etc... has chosen not to do so. I don't know the context behind his decision to 'embrace the same old crap,' but I imagine it must be valid. Afterall, isn't that the benefit of the doubt that we're supposed to extend the President during his first year in office??? (At least that's what I'm led to believe by FOX News).

Pfft I don't place the benefit of the doubt in those that would choose to entrench greater power for themselves.

One can rationalize all they wish. I could rationalize stealing for my family, and I could rationalize lying to the police about it afterwards. That wouldn't make my actions correct though, and those actions would almost certainly be immoral.