You know, this has been a problem for a very long time, and Clinton didn't do jack . This isn't a partisan issue, unless you want to say it's both of their faults.
The situation needs fixing, these guys are drawing attention to it. However, because some stupid liberal talking head denounces it, you automaticly jump all over it and find some way to spin it as Bush's fault.
Give me a ing break. I'm tired of all the spin from people like Hannity and Michael Moore; why do you have to do it too?
I'm not saying it is Bush's fault what I'm saying is we are spending more money on Iraq than on our own borders.
Give me a freakin' break.
I've read some of your posts and you are one to talk.
I agree that our borders need more protection but I don't think having civilians do it is the way to go.
How is that spinning anything?
It's not a long term solution, everyone knows that it's not the right way to go. It's more of a symbolic act in order to gain attention and force politicians hands. So why act as if it's something more?
The spin comes in where you bring Bush's name into it to begin with, thereby associating blame. Both parties (I should say the one party) carry the blame for the situation.
You're right, I don't know why it looks like your blaming Bush.
Many border ranchers already have there own "laws" and "patrols". This is different because it's goal is to draw attention to the area and what's going on there.
I'm not BLAMING Bush. I'm saying that his priorities are wrong.You're right, I don't know why it looks like your blaming Bush.
Not that I don't think there is a problem with illegal immigration, but this seems like a bunch of retired necks with nothing better to do between deer and large mouth bass seasons.
And?
I think it's great what they're doing. It's more of a symbolic "wake the up America, and wake the up Congress/political leaders."
I've got no problem with what they're doing. Like Manny, I feel that our next 9/11 will come about thanks to porous US-Mexico borders that allow terrorists to get in.
Unfortunately, it will take something like that before all the assholes in D.C. do something about it.
Stereotyping
Why aren't there minutmen protecting the Canadian border?
And I thought the terrorists of 9/11 came right on in the US and didn't even have to cross illegally?
Many european illegals enter into the US everyday as well.
Stereotyping indeed.
They'll probably start focusing more on Canada when
1) Canada stops helping on its side of the border
2) Canada issues a guide to crossing the border for illegal aliens
Why the does everything have to be about stereotypes and PC bull ? People for one are coming into our country illegally. For another, we have stated intelligence from AQ ops/do ents profiling the ease of crossing the US-Mexico border.
I'd be stereotyping if I said if we paid more attention to Muslims entering the country and flying together on flights, we would have had a better shot at stopping 9/11 from happening, but I'd be right.
I love the hypocrisy though. Police officers use profiling every ing day, even on white people (every time a serial killer comes around, they're white male, in their 30s, for example).
But when we've got people whose stated goal is the destruction of the US, we can't do anything to prevent it because of their skin color.
THAT'S STEREOTYPING.
Fine, you cut my grass then.
Republicans want cheap labor for GOP businessmen... increased profits and bigger CEO salaries....
Actually Bush is trying to win their vote.
Why do you think he dont give a ? Has he said anything in months about this issue?
Bush wants them here. They are potential voters. He loves them.
It's a trade, American job for a vote for Bush.
See, this is bull . Democratic "big business" people are doing the same . Knock off the hypocrisy, and I might listen to the rest of your argument.Republicans want cheap labor for GOP businessmen..
I see I've hit a nerve.
Hypocrisy? You mean like being "for life" yet starting a war that has killed thousands? Being "for life" yet for the death penalty?
Being "for the American soldier" yet cutting veterans benefits?
Knock off YOUR hypocrisy and get back to me.
Cut your own.Fine, you cut my grass then.
So by your logic they shouldn't draw attention to this situation and/or it shoudln't be fixed because there are other ways for illegals to get into this country? Those other problems need to be addressed at all, but that doesn't make this situation any less important.The idea, according to project organizers, is partly to draw attention to problems on the Arizona-Mexico border, considered the most vulnerable stretch of the 2,000-mile southern border. Of the 1.1 million illegal immigrants caught by the Border Patrol last year, 51 percent crossed into the country at Arizona.
Here's a novel idea Johnny. Form your opinions based upon the facts, don't try to manipulate the facts to back up your opinions. Don't be afraid to side with conservatives. Contrary to what you might read, they don't all have the plauge.
I was going to say the same damn thing.
In summary, Johnny believes immigration is a problem... but is against the Minutemen because they're white rednecks only doing this in Arizona and keeping Mexicans from entering the country to mow his lawn. And, of course, Bush and Republicans are dummies.
Am I on target?
What the is a plauge? Did you mean plague? Get your facts straight first then try again.
Facts? Give me a break. Fact is that the majority of illegals are honest, hard working people who are just trying to do better for their families. I don't fault them for that. Yes, I agree that ALL people should be do ented when they enter this country.
But conservatives gave Bush his "mandate" so live with it and if you don't like then be wiser with your vote next time.
Actually Wal-Mart is the one hiring illegals. And again they are NOT all Mexicans. And I'm the one who doesn't know the facts?
You're so transparent! Your beef with the Minutemen is that they're conservatives. If they were college students and professors with clever signs, you'd be all over their nuts.
So every social issue should be addressed at the voting booth only? That's about the dumbest thing I've ever heard. But its symptomatic of someone who views all issues as game pieces in a Democrats vs. Republicans sporting event of some kind.But conservatives gave Bush his "mandate" so live with it and if you don't like then be wiser with your vote next time.
Sit back and deal with it? Laughable. Those of us who give a about this country would never do such a thing. To us, it's not about how it affects the next election.
You're the one that made the lawn mowing comment, not me. I never said they were.And again they are NOT all Mexicans.
Congrats on being able to point out a typo. Maybe the next step in your intellectual development will be actual origional thought formation. I'm not going to hold my breath.
Who here is? My grandfather was an illegal many times over before he brought my mother and her brothers and sisters over legaly. He's possibly the possesor of the greatest work ethic I have ever known.Facts? Give me a break. Fact is that the majority of illegals are honest, hard working people who are just trying to do better for their families. I don't fault them for that.
That doesn't change the fact that in a post 9/11 world illegal immigration needs to be tackled completely, and this is an effort to do that. Furthermore, this is also an effort to control smuggling.
I want open immigration, but I want it DO ENTED.
So your opposition to this is based on exactly what?Yes, I agree that ALL people should be do ented when they enter this country.
I guarntee you I made a much harder effort to remove Bush from office. You might want to consider that before lecturing me on that.But conservatives gave Bush his "mandate" so live with it and if you don't like then be wiser with your vote next time.
You would figure if terrorists were really smart, they'd have figured that out a long time ago. But no....they aren't, and they won't ever figure it out.
Considering terrorist cells can lie dormant for years, who's to say they haven't?
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